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Alex Peek
Homepage: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map

The goal of this project is to improve public understanding economic data
and serve public administration.

It's time that we create a standardized model that everyone can understand
and relate to. Given the challenges that our world faces today, our
civilization must realize the economic reality that we live in. Global
warming, world hunger, education and unemployment are all economic issues
that require a new perspective.

The voting public must be provided the materials to properly allocate
resources. We can end world hunger with foreign aid. We can create a modern
day renaissance by building schools around the world. We should put more
public money R&D into renewable energies and create a cheaper alternative.
The world must understand wake up to the reality.

This format can be repeated for all 196 countries, every locality and city.
There can also be a standardized format for every company (model does not
exist yet).


Countries ranked by 2011 GDP

1. United States:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States

2. China:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_China

3. Japan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Japan

4. Germany:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Germany

5. France:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_France

6. Brazil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Brazil

7. United Kingdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom

8. Italy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Italy

9. India

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_India

10. Russia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Russia
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

Deryck Chan-2
Wouldn't this fall within the scope of [[WP:Outlines]] already, and
therefore doesn't need its sister project? Future developments of Wikidata
will make it even easier for such articles on Wikipedia to be updated.

On 17 June 2013 19:56, Alex Peek <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Homepage: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map
>
> The goal of this project is to improve public understanding economic data
> and serve public administration.
>
> It's time that we create a standardized model that everyone can understand
> and relate to. Given the challenges that our world faces today, our
> civilization must realize the economic reality that we live in. Global
> warming, world hunger, education and unemployment are all economic issues
> that require a new perspective.
>
> The voting public must be provided the materials to properly allocate
> resources. We can end world hunger with foreign aid. We can create a modern
> day renaissance by building schools around the world. We should put more
> public money R&D into renewable energies and create a cheaper alternative.
> The world must understand wake up to the reality.
>
> This format can be repeated for all 196 countries, every locality and city.
> There can also be a standardized format for every company (model does not
> exist yet).
>
>
> Countries ranked by 2011 GDP
>
> 1. United States:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States
>
> 2. China:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_China
>
> 3. Japan:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Japan
>
> 4. Germany:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Germany
>
> 5. France:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_France
>
> 6. Brazil:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Brazil
>
> 7. United Kingdom
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom
>
> 8. Italy
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Italy
>
> 9. India
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_India
>
> 10. Russia
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Russia
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Alex Peek
I do not intend that this become a new sister project. I am simply using
Wikipedia as a platform to consolidate the data.

This project is oriented for public administration. Wikidata serves a
different goal.


On 17 June 2013 12:00, Deryck Chan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Wouldn't this fall within the scope of [[WP:Outlines]] already, and
> therefore doesn't need its sister project? Future developments of Wikidata
> will make it even easier for such articles on Wikipedia to be updated.
>
> On 17 June 2013 19:56, Alex Peek <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Homepage: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map
> >
> > The goal of this project is to improve public understanding economic data
> > and serve public administration.
> >
> > It's time that we create a standardized model that everyone can
> understand
> > and relate to. Given the challenges that our world faces today, our
> > civilization must realize the economic reality that we live in. Global
> > warming, world hunger, education and unemployment are all economic issues
> > that require a new perspective.
> >
> > The voting public must be provided the materials to properly allocate
> > resources. We can end world hunger with foreign aid. We can create a
> modern
> > day renaissance by building schools around the world. We should put more
> > public money R&D into renewable energies and create a cheaper
> alternative.
> > The world must understand wake up to the reality.
> >
> > This format can be repeated for all 196 countries, every locality and
> city.
> > There can also be a standardized format for every company (model does not
> > exist yet).
> >
> >
> > Countries ranked by 2011 GDP
> >
> > 1. United States:
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States
> >
> > 2. China:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_China
> >
> > 3. Japan:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Japan
> >
> > 4. Germany:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Germany
> >
> > 5. France:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_France
> >
> > 6. Brazil:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Brazil
> >
> > 7. United Kingdom
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom
> >
> > 8. Italy
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Italy
> >
> > 9. India
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_India
> >
> > 10. Russia
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Russia
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

Alex Peek
Deryck, I re-read your message and i looked up the [[WP:outline]] feature.
Looks interesting, thanks for showing me that.


On 17 June 2013 12:07, Alex Peek <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I do not intend that this become a new sister project. I am simply using
> Wikipedia as a platform to consolidate the data.
>
> This project is oriented for public administration. Wikidata serves a
> different goal.
>
>
> On 17 June 2013 12:00, Deryck Chan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't this fall within the scope of [[WP:Outlines]] already, and
>> therefore doesn't need its sister project? Future developments of Wikidata
>> will make it even easier for such articles on Wikipedia to be updated.
>>
>> On 17 June 2013 19:56, Alex Peek <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> > Homepage: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map
>> >
>> > The goal of this project is to improve public understanding economic
>> data
>> > and serve public administration.
>> >
>> > It's time that we create a standardized model that everyone can
>> understand
>> > and relate to. Given the challenges that our world faces today, our
>> > civilization must realize the economic reality that we live in. Global
>> > warming, world hunger, education and unemployment are all economic
>> issues
>> > that require a new perspective.
>> >
>> > The voting public must be provided the materials to properly allocate
>> > resources. We can end world hunger with foreign aid. We can create a
>> modern
>> > day renaissance by building schools around the world. We should put more
>> > public money R&D into renewable energies and create a cheaper
>> alternative.
>> > The world must understand wake up to the reality.
>> >
>> > This format can be repeated for all 196 countries, every locality and
>> city.
>> > There can also be a standardized format for every company (model does
>> not
>> > exist yet).
>> >
>> >
>> > Countries ranked by 2011 GDP
>> >
>> > 1. United States:
>> >
>> >
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States
>> >
>> > 2. China:
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_China
>> >
>> > 3. Japan:
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Japan
>> >
>> > 4. Germany:
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Germany
>> >
>> > 5. France:
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_France
>> >
>> > 6. Brazil:
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Brazil
>> >
>> > 7. United Kingdom
>> >
>> >
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom
>> >
>> > 8. Italy
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Italy
>> >
>> > 9. India
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_India
>> >
>> > 10. Russia
>> >
>> >
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Russia
>> > _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

Lydia Pintscher
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On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Alex Peek <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I do not intend that this become a new sister project. I am simply using
> Wikipedia as a platform to consolidate the data.
>
> This project is oriented for public administration. Wikidata serves a
> different goal.

Could you elaborate on this please? I'm not sure I understand the
difference in goal.


Cheers
Lydia

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Alex Peek
My project does not aim to be an expansive database like Wikidata. The goal
of my project is create the *periodic table* for economics readable to
laypersons. To my knowledge, no other economist has attempted to make a
'periodic table' for economics.

I demand that my project gets global attention. I cannot emphasize how
important this is. The current political leadership has shown incapable of
addressing our current problems (environmental destruction  world hunger,
etc.). Change is needed. A new economic perspective is needed. I feel
morally responsible to stand on top of a mountain and yell for attention.
My intentions are altruistic.  People are dying of starvation everyday and
I will not shut up until they have food.

I have listed below draft article that I have been working on. Please check
them out.

Project Home page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map

Countries ranked by 2011 GDP

1. United States:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States

2. China:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_China

3. Japan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Japan

4. Germany:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Germany

5. France:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_France

6. Brazil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_Brazil

7. United Kingdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom

8. Italy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Italy

9. India

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_India

10. Russia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcnabber091/Economic_summary_of_Russia


On 18 June 2013 03:07, Lydia Pintscher <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Alex Peek <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I do not intend that this become a new sister project. I am simply using
> > Wikipedia as a platform to consolidate the data.
> >
> > This project is oriented for public administration. Wikidata serves a
> > different goal.
>
> Could you elaborate on this please? I'm not sure I understand the
> difference in goal.
>
>
> Cheers
> Lydia
>
> --
> Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher
> Community Communications for Technical Projects
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
> Obentrautstr. 72
> 10963 Berlin
> www.wikimedia.de
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
>
> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
> unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
> Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

geni
On 18 June 2013 18:38, Alex Peek <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I demand that my project gets global attention.


Well you've got British and German



> I cannot emphasize how
> important this is. The current political leadership has shown incapable of
> addressing our current problems (environmental destruction  world hunger,
> etc.).


Given the current size of nuclear stockpiles I'd suggest it has.


> Change is needed. A new economic perspective is needed.


Been tried. Didn't end well.


> I feel
> morally responsible to stand on top of a mountain and yell for attention.
>

Would you like us to direct you to the nearest mountain?


> My intentions are altruistic.  People are dying of starvation everyday and
> I will not shut up until they have food.
>

You might want to study the issue a bit more closely before talking about
it. For example people tend to be dying of malnutrition more than
starvation per se



> I have listed below draft article that I have been working on. Please check
> them out.
>

I'm not seeing what it adds to wikipedia or how it addresses the complex
socio-political issues around modern food distribution. For example while
the western world probably has the ability to end large scale malnutrition
in north korea the deaths of 10 million or so people in Seoul during the
opening stages of removing the kimn family from power make such actions
undesirable.
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Alex Peek
All that i believe is that the world needs an economic period table.


On 18 June 2013 23:42, geni <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 18 June 2013 18:38, Alex Peek <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I demand that my project gets global attention.
>
>
> Well you've got British and German
>
>
>
> > I cannot emphasize how
> > important this is. The current political leadership has shown incapable
> of
> > addressing our current problems (environmental destruction  world hunger,
> > etc.).
>
>
> Given the current size of nuclear stockpiles I'd suggest it has.
>
>
> > Change is needed. A new economic perspective is needed.
>
>
> Been tried. Didn't end well.
>
>
> > I feel
> > morally responsible to stand on top of a mountain and yell for attention.
> >
>
> Would you like us to direct you to the nearest mountain?
>
>
> > My intentions are altruistic.  People are dying of starvation everyday
> and
> > I will not shut up until they have food.
> >
>
> You might want to study the issue a bit more closely before talking about
> it. For example people tend to be dying of malnutrition more than
> starvation per se
>
>
>
> > I have listed below draft article that I have been working on. Please
> check
> > them out.
> >
>
> I'm not seeing what it adds to wikipedia or how it addresses the complex
> socio-political issues around modern food distribution. For example while
> the western world probably has the ability to end large scale malnutrition
> in north korea the deaths of 10 million or so people in Seoul during the
> opening stages of removing the kimn family from power make such actions
> undesirable.
> --
> geni
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

Jane Darnell
Hi Alex,
I sense some frustration here. I think what you are doing is brave and
needed, and you could probably use some help. The pages on economics
and economics policy are some of the most neglected on Wikipedia (that
and plastics and ..., but let's not go into a whole list of neglected
topics, please folks) . I think your chances of finding like-minded
economics-oriented Wikipedians quite small, but sending random cries
for help periodically to this list will propably not help you find
those people.

Your main obstacle to success is your lack of knowledge about how
Wikipedia works. As Lydia politely pointed out, you have not even
tried to find out how your data could be included in WikiData, where
it could potentially be used by all projects in all languages.

As I see it, you have through your research located the data for
several countries. This is all good. Each source of data needs to be
defined on Wikipedia somewhere as an authority on that country's
economic data. So first you need a list of economic data holders per
country. Next these need to go on WikiData as list holders, and next,
the data can be filled in property fields per country municipality (or
whatever granularity of the data you are looking for). The data can be
aggregated or you can just use the list holder data at each level.

You cannot, however, just type in values of data without naming the
sources. That would qualify as original research, which is a no-no on
Wikipedia.

Hope it helps,
Jane

2013/6/19, Alex Peek <[hidden email]>:

> All that i believe is that the world needs an economic period table.
>
>
> On 18 June 2013 23:42, geni <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 18 June 2013 18:38, Alex Peek <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> > I demand that my project gets global attention.
>>
>>
>> Well you've got British and German
>>
>>
>>
>> > I cannot emphasize how
>> > important this is. The current political leadership has shown incapable
>> of
>> > addressing our current problems (environmental destruction  world
>> > hunger,
>> > etc.).
>>
>>
>> Given the current size of nuclear stockpiles I'd suggest it has.
>>
>>
>> > Change is needed. A new economic perspective is needed.
>>
>>
>> Been tried. Didn't end well.
>>
>>
>> > I feel
>> > morally responsible to stand on top of a mountain and yell for
>> > attention.
>> >
>>
>> Would you like us to direct you to the nearest mountain?
>>
>>
>> > My intentions are altruistic.  People are dying of starvation everyday
>> and
>> > I will not shut up until they have food.
>> >
>>
>> You might want to study the issue a bit more closely before talking about
>> it. For example people tend to be dying of malnutrition more than
>> starvation per se
>>
>>
>>
>> > I have listed below draft article that I have been working on. Please
>> check
>> > them out.
>> >
>>
>> I'm not seeing what it adds to wikipedia or how it addresses the complex
>> socio-political issues around modern food distribution. For example while
>> the western world probably has the ability to end large scale malnutrition
>> in north korea the deaths of 10 million or so people in Seoul during the
>> opening stages of removing the kimn family from power make such actions
>> undesirable.
>> --
>> geni
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geni
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On 19 June 2013 08:56, Alex Peek <[hidden email]> wrote:

> All that i believe is that the world needs an economic period table.
>
>
 As a chemist I beg to differ. I mean how is valency meant to work? What is
the economic analogue of a d orbital? Periodicity in general seems rather
weak. Metals vs non metals doesn't make much sense in an economic context.

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Alex Peek
Thanks Jane for the response. I'll contact Wikidata and see how my data can
be incorporated. The thing about Wikidata is that its goal to be a very
expansive semantic database to support all other Wikipedia projects. I do
support Wikidata.

But the whole point of my project is create a short, simple model to
display economic statistics. This is to support the economic community.

I will make a list of articles using the [[outline]] feature. That seems
like the best idea.
Geni, i see what you mean. I'm not correct to call it the periodic table of
economics (no periods involved in my model).

I have somebody from the World Bank helping me out on this project also. He
said he would do the article for the Bahamas, Haiti and Bolivia. Another
student said he would work on Greece. I am have this project listed for
volunteers at the London School of Economics. I also contacted the newly
created Volcker Alliance. They have not gotten back to me. Once I finish
the top ten economies I'm going to print them all out and send it in the
mail to the Economist. I will do this project alone, but it would be nice
to have some volunteers.



On 19 June 2013 01:29, geni <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 19 June 2013 08:56, Alex Peek <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > All that i believe is that the world needs an economic period table.
> >
> >
>  As a chemist I beg to differ. I mean how is valency meant to work? What is
> the economic analogue of a d orbital? Periodicity in general seems rather
> weak. Metals vs non metals doesn't make much sense in an economic context.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

Peter Southwood
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There are other types of periodicity  besides those of chemical
characteristics, Nevertheless it is not clear what periodicity might be
displayed by economic data, except possibly in share prices etc, but those
do not appear to be relevant to the subject.
Cheers,
Peter
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> On 19 June 2013 08:56, Alex Peek <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> All that i believe is that the world needs an economic period table.
>>
>>
> As a chemist I beg to differ. I mean how is valency meant to work? What is
> the economic analogue of a d orbital? Periodicity in general seems rather
> weak. Metals vs non metals doesn't make much sense in an economic context.
>
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