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[Wikimedia-l] Interesting comment system for Wikipedia

David Cuenca Tudela
Hi,

I really liked the way the comments are implemented on this website
https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/5e7ed624986d

Basically the comments are associated to each paragraph, and a little
number appears next to it. When clicking it, it displays the comments. I
can imagine that it would also make sense on wikipedia, where most comments
are related to specific points in the text.

The article itself is also worth a read ;-)

Cheers,
Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting comment system for Wikipedia

Federico Leva (Nemo)
David Cuenca, 20/06/2014 11:18:
> Basically the comments are associated to each paragraph, and a little
> number appears next to it. When clicking it, it displays the comments. I
> can imagine that it would also make sense on wikipedia, where most comments
> are related to specific points in the text.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Feature_map#1._Ratings_and_Reviews
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46440

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting comment system for Wikipedia

David Cuenca Tudela
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <[hidden email]>
wrote:
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Feature_map#1._Ratings_and_Reviews
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46440
>
> The difference with the OKFN annotation tool is the way of presenting the
number of comments. On the annotator they are shown directly as highlighted
text, here there is a number per paragraph, which perhaps makes the layout
less bloated.

Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting comment system for Wikipedia

Markus Glaser-2
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Hi Micru,

> Basically the comments are associated to each paragraph, and a little
> number appears next to it. When clicking it, it displays the comments.
There's already a similar implementation for MediaWiki. It's basically a
modification of Extension:Comments and it allows to associate comments
with sections. You can see it live at WebPlatform.org [1].

Best,
Markus

[1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting comment system for Wikipedia

David Cuenca Tudela
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Markus Glaser <[hidden email]>
wrote:
>
> There's already a similar implementation for MediaWiki. It's basically a
> modification of Extension:Comments and it allows to associate comments with
> sections. You can see it live at WebPlatform.org [1].
>

And that is mediawiki-powered? Really cool!

Cheers,
Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting comment system for Wikipedia

David Cuenca Tudela
Perhaps also relevant:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/washington-post-new-york-times-and-mozilla-team-up-for-new-web-site-comment-system/2014/06/19/fa836e90-f71e-11e3-8aa9-dad2ec039789_story.html?hpid=z3


On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 2:07 PM, David Cuenca <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Markus Glaser <[hidden email]
> > wrote:
>>
>> There's already a similar implementation for MediaWiki. It's basically a
>> modification of Extension:Comments and it allows to associate comments with
>> sections. You can see it live at WebPlatform.org [1].
>>
>
> And that is mediawiki-powered? Really cool!
>
> Cheers,
> Micru
>



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting comment system for Wikipedia

MZMcBride-2
David Cuenca wrote:
>Perhaps also relevant: http://wapo.st/1vXz9nb

---
Washington Post, New York Times and Mozilla team up for new Web site
comment system
---

I read about this earlier this week. I thought it was a bit strange for
these companies to be seemingly fixed on building their own tool. I got
the impression that this foundation simply had money to burn. It also
wasn't clear to me whether the project would be open source or not, though
given that it includes Mozilla, I'm somewhat hopeful.

Jeff Atwood has been working on <http://www.discourse.org>. I haven't been
following the project too closely, but it feels as though it's trying to
solve at least some of the same problems.

There are also tools such as <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disqus>, which
due to privacy considerations wouldn't be good for sites such as Wikimedia
wikis. But for older publishers such as the New York Times and the
Washington Post, who already try to track every visitor with a dozen or
more tracking pixels and cookies and whatever else, this wouldn't really
be an issue and it's already a fairly popular and well-known tool.

This isn't to say that this new endeavor is focusing on an easy problem or
a problem that doesn't need additional attention. Global communication is
a very tough nut to crack, without a doubt. But it feels like some of
these efforts aren't working with each other to achieve the same goals,
and that's a bit frustrating and annoying. Putting $3.89 million into
improving an existing tool (or tools) seems like a better use of money
than creating yet another tool, in my opinion.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting comment system for Wikipedia

rupert THURNER-2
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interesting. there might be other applications as well which could benefit
from references to paragraphs. like wikidata, book creation, especially for
education. educational material often needs to be for a region and does not
want to have information for multiple countries in it.

rupert
 Am 20.06.2014 13:58 schrieb "Markus Glaser" <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Micru,
>
>  Basically the comments are associated to each paragraph, and a little
>> number appears next to it. When clicking it, it displays the comments.
>>
> There's already a similar implementation for MediaWiki. It's basically a
> modification of Extension:Comments and it allows to associate comments with
> sections. You can see it live at WebPlatform.org [1].
>
> Best,
> Markus
>
> [1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting comment system for Wikipedia

David Cuenca Tudela
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On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 7:19 PM, MZMcBride <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> This isn't to say that this new endeavor is focusing on an easy problem or
> a problem that doesn't need additional attention. Global communication is
> a very tough nut to crack, without a doubt. But it feels like some of
> these efforts aren't working with each other to achieve the same goals,
> and that's a bit frustrating and annoying. Putting $3.89 million into
> improving an existing tool (or tools) seems like a better use of money
> than creating yet another tool, in my opinion.
>
>
I agree with you, there are too many projects, considering that there is
also Hypothes.is, which has been in development for 3 years now and which
recently received a $750k grant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothes.is

Hopefully all of them will use the Open Annotation standard, which at least
should make comments and annotations more compatible between platforms.

Ideally there should be some initiative from the Wikimedia world to figure
out how our comment system would integrate into this ecosystem. It would be
a good issue to put in the strategic plan (given that the unmoderated
ArticleFeedbackTool failed so miserably), next to what actions to take to
deal with open data.

Cheers,
Micru
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