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[Wikimedia-l] News on Wkipedia

Rogol Domedonfors
In a recent blog post, "No, we’re not in a post-fact world. On Wikipedia,
facts matter.", the Foundation referred to Wikipedia editors"sharing
breaking news in record time".  It is true that the English-language
Wikipedia is increasingly carrying articles about newsworthy events, and
this in spite of its WP:NOTNEWS policy.

Has the Foundation made a conscious decision to promote Wikipedia as a
source of news, and if so, what were the results of its discussions with
the Wikipedia and Wikinews communities?  Will the Foundation allocate any
extra resources to this effort?

Rognvald
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] News on Wkipedia

Andrew Lih
1. You misread en:WP:NOTNEWS . The policy doesn't say news is forbidden. It
is that Wikipedia should consider notability and original research concerns
and not act as a newspaper.

Actual wording: "editors are encouraged to include current and up-to-date
information within its coverage, and to develop stand-alone articles on
significant current events."

2. You misunderstand the Wikimedia Foundation role in these areas. Please
take this discussion to the proper places on Wikipedia [[
Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news]] and/or Wikinews.

Thanks.


On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 4:54 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> In a recent blog post, "No, we’re not in a post-fact world. On Wikipedia,
> facts matter.", the Foundation referred to Wikipedia editors"sharing
> breaking news in record time".  It is true that the English-language
> Wikipedia is increasingly carrying articles about newsworthy events, and
> this in spite of its WP:NOTNEWS policy.
>
> Has the Foundation made a conscious decision to promote Wikipedia as a
> source of news, and if so, what were the results of its discussions with
> the Wikipedia and Wikinews communities?  Will the Foundation allocate any
> extra resources to this effort?
>
> Rognvald
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] News on Wkipedia

Rogol Domedonfors
Andrew

Thank you for your suggestion, but I think that a discussion about the
Foundations policy on news across its various projects is more suitable to
this list than to one of the Wikipedias.  Your comments on the
English-language Wikipedia policy on news are helpful.  Do you see the
Foundation's communications as being entirely consistent with that view?

Rutherford

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Andrew Lih <[hidden email]> wrote:

> 1. You misread en:WP:NOTNEWS . The policy doesn't say news is forbidden. It
> is that Wikipedia should consider notability and original research concerns
> and not act as a newspaper.
>
> Actual wording: "editors are encouraged to include current and up-to-date
> information within its coverage, and to develop stand-alone articles on
> significant current events."
>
> 2. You misunderstand the Wikimedia Foundation role in these areas. Please
> take this discussion to the proper places on Wikipedia [[
> Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news]] and/or Wikinews.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 4:54 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > In a recent blog post, "No, we’re not in a post-fact world. On Wikipedia,
> > facts matter.", the Foundation referred to Wikipedia editors"sharing
> > breaking news in record time".  It is true that the English-language
> > Wikipedia is increasingly carrying articles about newsworthy events, and
> > this in spite of its WP:NOTNEWS policy.
> >
> > Has the Foundation made a conscious decision to promote Wikipedia as a
> > source of news, and if so, what were the results of its discussions with
> > the Wikipedia and Wikinews communities?  Will the Foundation allocate any
> > extra resources to this effort?
> >
> > Rognvald
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] News on Wkipedia

Asaf Bartov-2
As far as I can tell, the Foundation does not have "policy on news across
its various projects".

So the answer to your original question:

> > Has the Foundation made a conscious decision to promote Wikipedia as a
> > > source of news, and if so, what were the results of its discussions
> with
> > > the Wikipedia and Wikinews communities?  Will the Foundation allocate
> any
> > > extra resources to this effort?
>

would seem to be this: No, there is no particular decision to promote
Wikipedia as a source of news.  There have, however, been a number of blog
posts and communications celebrating Wikipedia's success at providing
relatively up-to-date and accurate information on current events.  No
discussion with either Wikipedia or Wikinews communities took place, or
needed to, as this was just another aspect of Wikipedia being showcased on
the Wikimedia blog.

As far as I can tell, the Foundation has not allocated any extra resources
to promoting Wikipedia as a news source.  You are mistaking a couple of
blog posts to signify Some Grand Policy Change, but it is not so.

    Asaf
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] News on Wkipedia

Rogol Domedonfors
Then perhaps the blog posts were over-enthusiastic.  There is a current
discussion on this topic at the English-language Wikipedia, but not at the
link Andrew gave: it is at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:What_Wikipedia_is_not#RFC:_New_subsection_under_.22Not_a_Newspaper.22_about_commentary

Rod

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Asaf Bartov <[hidden email]> wrote:

> As far as I can tell, the Foundation does not have "policy on news across
> its various projects".
>
> So the answer to your original question:
>
> > > Has the Foundation made a conscious decision to promote Wikipedia as a
> > > > source of news, and if so, what were the results of its discussions
> > with
> > > > the Wikipedia and Wikinews communities?  Will the Foundation allocate
> > any
> > > > extra resources to this effort?
> >
>
> would seem to be this: No, there is no particular decision to promote
> Wikipedia as a source of news.  There have, however, been a number of blog
> posts and communications celebrating Wikipedia's success at providing
> relatively up-to-date and accurate information on current events.  No
> discussion with either Wikipedia or Wikinews communities took place, or
> needed to, as this was just another aspect of Wikipedia being showcased on
> the Wikimedia blog.
>
> As far as I can tell, the Foundation has not allocated any extra resources
> to promoting Wikipedia as a news source.  You are mistaking a couple of
> blog posts to signify Some Grand Policy Change, but it is not so.
>
>     Asaf
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