[Wikimedia-l] On Trump supporters (was: Our problem with India)

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[Wikimedia-l] On Trump supporters (was: Our problem with India)

Milos Rancic-2
Moving this issue out of the thread about India, as it doesn't belong to it.

It seems that my explanation of explanation was not quite useful. Just
the last paragraph was a satire and I've got complaint that
satirically playing with the racist stereotypes could seem racist.
That was the target of the explanation of explanation.

However, your question that it's still not clear to you why I am
talking about Trump supporters is much more important.

If we tend to be an inclusive movement, we should do our best to
include people from as much of society as we are able to do.

The first and the most obvious problem in Wikimedia community was
striking lack of women. And, for a long time we have the programs
which promote inclusion of women in our movement.

Then we have the issue of minorities. Depending on the country, those
processes started sooner or later.

However, as we articulated Wikimedia movement as a progressive one, we
are slowly but surely losing large portions of our societies.

The metaphor for that portion is "a Trump voter", but those people
exist in every society. They do not vote for Trump; they could be even
a progressive force in their society; but, as with Trump supporter,
they've been ostracized from the dominant part of the society as less
worthy.

I've said those parts of the societies are our new underrepresented
groups. In United States it's about middle class people scared of
those who are socially in worse (immigrants) and better position
(among others, us) than themselves, voting for Trump. In Austria, it's
about working class people scared of those in worse and better
position than themselves, voting for FPO. And so on.

And if you are asking me why we should take care about their
incorporation, I will tell you that I was getting quite similar
questions when I raised the problem of lack of participation of women
in Wikimedia movement. It's the wider social role of our movement.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Peter Southwood
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Still not clear. Why?
>
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> On Jun 28, 2016 09:58, "Milos Rancic" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> (Hint for American
>> Wikimedians: Trump supporters are your next target for positive
>> discrimination.)
>
> It seems I have to clarify this sentence.
>
> I didn't say Trump, I didn't say Cruz, I didn't say Cruz supporters, I said Trump supporters.
>
> I have in mind very specific population, genuinely scared by the privileged Mexican illegal immigrants, working lazy for the American agricultural industry for $5/h or less and supported by Bay Area hipsters and Jewish lobby.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] On Trump supporters (was: Our problem with India)

Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)
I suggest that we just drop the Trump tangent from the discussion, as
it is a distraction.

Newyorkbrad

On 6/28/16, Milos Rancic <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Moving this issue out of the thread about India, as it doesn't belong to it.
>
> It seems that my explanation of explanation was not quite useful. Just
> the last paragraph was a satire and I've got complaint that
> satirically playing with the racist stereotypes could seem racist.
> That was the target of the explanation of explanation.
>
> However, your question that it's still not clear to you why I am
> talking about Trump supporters is much more important.
>
> If we tend to be an inclusive movement, we should do our best to
> include people from as much of society as we are able to do.
>
> The first and the most obvious problem in Wikimedia community was
> striking lack of women. And, for a long time we have the programs
> which promote inclusion of women in our movement.
>
> Then we have the issue of minorities. Depending on the country, those
> processes started sooner or later.
>
> However, as we articulated Wikimedia movement as a progressive one, we
> are slowly but surely losing large portions of our societies.
>
> The metaphor for that portion is "a Trump voter", but those people
> exist in every society. They do not vote for Trump; they could be even
> a progressive force in their society; but, as with Trump supporter,
> they've been ostracized from the dominant part of the society as less
> worthy.
>
> I've said those parts of the societies are our new underrepresented
> groups. In United States it's about middle class people scared of
> those who are socially in worse (immigrants) and better position
> (among others, us) than themselves, voting for Trump. In Austria, it's
> about working class people scared of those in worse and better
> position than themselves, voting for FPO. And so on.
>
> And if you are asking me why we should take care about their
> incorporation, I will tell you that I was getting quite similar
> questions when I raised the problem of lack of participation of women
> in Wikimedia movement. It's the wider social role of our movement.
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Peter Southwood
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Still not clear. Why?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[hidden email]] On
>> Behalf Of Milos Rancic
>> Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2016 1:28 PM
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2016 09:58, "Milos Rancic" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> (Hint for American
>>> Wikimedians: Trump supporters are your next target for positive
>>> discrimination.)
>>
>> It seems I have to clarify this sentence.
>>
>> I didn't say Trump, I didn't say Cruz, I didn't say Cruz supporters, I
>> said Trump supporters.
>>
>> I have in mind very specific population, genuinely scared by the
>> privileged Mexican illegal immigrants, working lazy for the American
>> agricultural industry for $5/h or less and supported by Bay Area hipsters
>> and Jewish lobby.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] On Trump supporters (was: Our problem with India)

Milos Rancic-2
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Newyorkbrad <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I suggest that we just drop the Trump tangent from the discussion, as
> it is a distraction.

I am sure the politically correct word for that population would be
eventually found and I definitely support the usage of the newly
defined word. In the meantime, I am really talking about present day
Trump supporters and I think it's useful to be scared of them on this
mailing list first, so you could be more calm while organizing an
editathon among them :)

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