[Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

[Mike Godwin-2]

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Anthony <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> So? I gave you pointers to regs for 501(c)(3), (c)(4), etc.
>
> Well, no, you didn't.

I think most people will agree that I did give you pointers to the
regs. I agree that I did not give you direct links to the regs.
Perhaps you understood "pointers" to mean "direct links."

> I also explained to you that IRC 501(c)(3) does not prohibit certain
> corporations from performing certain actions, rather it *defines*
> certain corporations which do not perform certain actions.

This is all lovely, but I am still unclear as to what you believe you
are disagreeing with me about.

> I figured
> you would confirm this by reading the code.

I didn't see much point in rereading those provisions, because I
didn't understand what exactly you were taking issue with me on. I'm
not sure anyone else does either. Perhaps someone else could explain
your disagreement with me, because I'm drawing a blank here in what
I'm reading from you.

>> What this has to do with WMF or the Russian-language Wikimedians'
>> activism is still beyond me, however.
>
> Nothing.  My comment was about a proposed constitutional amendment to
> overturn Citizen United, and I gave that as an example of something
> that is even more important than PIPA for Wikipedians to protest.

Why Wikipedians in particular? Citizens United (not "Citizen United")
has to do with campaign expenditures. So far as I know, neither WMF
nor Wikimedians have any interest, one way or the other, in attempts
to regulate campaign expenditures, or constitutional amendments
regarding same.


--Mike

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[Anthony-73]

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Mike Godwin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I didn't see much point in rereading those provisions, because I
> didn't understand what exactly you were taking issue with me on. I'm
> not sure anyone else does either. Perhaps someone else could explain
> your disagreement with me, because I'm drawing a blank here in what
> I'm reading from you.

If you can't figure out how I disagree with you, maybe you should
conclude that I'm not disagreeing with you.

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[Nathan Awrich]

Or maybe you should both agree to take this into at least another thread,
or preferably off-list altogether.

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Anthony <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Mike Godwin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I didn't see much point in rereading those provisions, because I
> > didn't understand what exactly you were taking issue with me on. I'm
> > not sure anyone else does either. Perhaps someone else could explain
> > your disagreement with me, because I'm drawing a blank here in what
> > I'm reading from you.
>
> If you can't figure out how I disagree with you, maybe you should
> conclude that I'm not disagreeing with you.
>
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[Anthony-73]

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Mike Godwin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Anthony <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>> So? I gave you pointers to regs for 501(c)(3), (c)(4), etc.
>>
>> Well, no, you didn't.
>
> I think most people will agree that I did give you pointers to the
> regs. I agree that I did not give you direct links to the regs.

Okay.  Is there something in those regs which regulates what WMF "can
and cannot do politically"?  All I see is regulations stating that WMF
may be taxed based on what is does.

When you said "Wikimedia Foundation, as a corporation, is profoundly
regulated in what it can and cannot do politically", I thought you
were referring to some regulation(s) outside of the internal revenue
code.  Were you?

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[Mike Godwin-2]

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Anthony <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Okay.  Is there something in those regs which regulates what WMF "can
> and cannot do politically"?  All I see is regulations stating that WMF
> may be taxed based on what is does.

I'm afraid I don't understand the distinction you're making.

> When you said "Wikimedia Foundation, as a corporation, is profoundly
> regulated in what it can and cannot do politically", I thought you
> were referring to some regulation(s) outside of the internal revenue
> code.  Were you?

No.


--Mike

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