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I think that's an awesome idea. And then perhaps ping the folks at the
museum to let them know.

-Sarah


On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Pharos <[hidden email]>wrote:

> I think Wikimedia NYC could host this archive, given the very high
> relevance to our region, perhaps at sep11.nycwiki.org
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
> (User:Pharos)
>
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Sarah Stierch <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > I was thinking this also.
> >
> > There is a museum: http://www.911memorial.org/museum
> >
> > I don't know anyone there personally, but, I do have many colleagues in
> the
> > GLAM sector in NYC and most likely have a connection to someone at the
> > museum. I'm also totally comfortable cold calling them. I'll do that work
> > if others want to draft and prepare a game plan on how they see this
> > information being preserved and useful.
> >
> > This museum isn't open yet, and opening a museum surely isn't easy, so I
> > can't guarantee a timely response.
> >
> > Connecting with folks in the digital humanities is a good idea, or
> perhaps
> > even the Computer History Museum. (I know the head curator there)
> >
> > -Sarah
> >
> > -Sarah
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Lodewijk <[hidden email]
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Contacting a museum/foundation dedicated to the topic seems to me most
> >> ideal. They still would like to have an html dump probably - no need
> for it
> >> to be editable I guess. Setting up a special organization for it seems a
> >> bit too much effort imho if there's an easier way.
> >>
> >> If WMNYC perhaps in contact with a relevant organization at Ground Zero?
> >>
> >> Lodewijk
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/11/21 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada <[hidden email]>
> >>
> >> > If September 11 wiki is a finished work and has a free license,
> perhaps
> >> it
> >> > can be included in Wikisource.
> >> >
> >> > I tried in the past to include Nupedia articles in Wikisource but they
> >> were
> >> > rejected because they are not free. The irony.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2013/11/21 Tim Starling <[hidden email]>
> >> >
> >> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sep11wiki
> >> > >
> >> > > I think it's disrespectful to solicit contributions towards a
> memorial
> >> > > website, and then to fail to maintain that memorial website in a
> >> > > searchable format.
> >> > >
> >> > > Today, searching the web for phrases in contributed memorial pages
> >> > > brings up only ancient, presumably unmaintained Wikipedia mirrors,
> >> > > such as these:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://encyclopedia.kids.net.au/page/da/Daniel_Brandhorst
> >> > > http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Daniel_Brandhorst/
> >> > >
> >> > > In time, those will disappear from the web, as all other copies have
> >> > > done. Thus, relatives of the deceased will have no way to discover
> >> > > that these pages ever existed.
> >> > >
> >> > > In 2007, the September 11 wiki was moved to a non-Wikimedia site,
> >> > > evidently hosted by an individual without the capacity to preserve
> >> > > that content for posterity. It was offline after only 3 years.
> >> > >
> >> > > The data is still on our servers. I propose bringing the wiki back
> up,
> >> > > in read only mode, and leaving it like that either until such time
> as
> >> > > there is interest from a non-profit or government organisation in
> >> > > taking over the responsibility of indefinite hosting. It would only
> >> > > take an hour or so of ops work. It could stay like that for decades
> >> > > without needing any further maintenance.
> >> > >
> >> > > -- Tim Starling
> >> > >
> >> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 11 wiki

Pharos-3
Yes, it would be great if we could help with the tech, and they could
perhaps help with any added curatorial, enhancing the historical
context.

Thanks,
Richard
(User:Pharos)

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Sarah Stierch <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I think that's an awesome idea. And then perhaps ping the folks at the
> museum to let them know.
>
> -Sarah
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Pharos <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
>> I think Wikimedia NYC could host this archive, given the very high
>> relevance to our region, perhaps at sep11.nycwiki.org
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Richard
>> (User:Pharos)
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Sarah Stierch <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> > I was thinking this also.
>> >
>> > There is a museum: http://www.911memorial.org/museum
>> >
>> > I don't know anyone there personally, but, I do have many colleagues in
>> the
>> > GLAM sector in NYC and most likely have a connection to someone at the
>> > museum. I'm also totally comfortable cold calling them. I'll do that work
>> > if others want to draft and prepare a game plan on how they see this
>> > information being preserved and useful.
>> >
>> > This museum isn't open yet, and opening a museum surely isn't easy, so I
>> > can't guarantee a timely response.
>> >
>> > Connecting with folks in the digital humanities is a good idea, or
>> perhaps
>> > even the Computer History Museum. (I know the head curator there)
>> >
>> > -Sarah
>> >
>> > -Sarah
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Lodewijk <[hidden email]
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Contacting a museum/foundation dedicated to the topic seems to me most
>> >> ideal. They still would like to have an html dump probably - no need
>> for it
>> >> to be editable I guess. Setting up a special organization for it seems a
>> >> bit too much effort imho if there's an easier way.
>> >>
>> >> If WMNYC perhaps in contact with a relevant organization at Ground Zero?
>> >>
>> >> Lodewijk
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/11/21 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada <[hidden email]>
>> >>
>> >> > If September 11 wiki is a finished work and has a free license,
>> perhaps
>> >> it
>> >> > can be included in Wikisource.
>> >> >
>> >> > I tried in the past to include Nupedia articles in Wikisource but they
>> >> were
>> >> > rejected because they are not free. The irony.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 2013/11/21 Tim Starling <[hidden email]>
>> >> >
>> >> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sep11wiki
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I think it's disrespectful to solicit contributions towards a
>> memorial
>> >> > > website, and then to fail to maintain that memorial website in a
>> >> > > searchable format.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Today, searching the web for phrases in contributed memorial pages
>> >> > > brings up only ancient, presumably unmaintained Wikipedia mirrors,
>> >> > > such as these:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://encyclopedia.kids.net.au/page/da/Daniel_Brandhorst
>> >> > > http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Daniel_Brandhorst/
>> >> > >
>> >> > > In time, those will disappear from the web, as all other copies have
>> >> > > done. Thus, relatives of the deceased will have no way to discover
>> >> > > that these pages ever existed.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > In 2007, the September 11 wiki was moved to a non-Wikimedia site,
>> >> > > evidently hosted by an individual without the capacity to preserve
>> >> > > that content for posterity. It was offline after only 3 years.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The data is still on our servers. I propose bringing the wiki back
>> up,
>> >> > > in read only mode, and leaving it like that either until such time
>> as
>> >> > > there is interest from a non-profit or government organisation in
>> >> > > taking over the responsibility of indefinite hosting. It would only
>> >> > > take an hour or so of ops work. It could stay like that for decades
>> >> > > without needing any further maintenance.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -- Tim Starling
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > _______________________________________________
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>> > *Museumist, open culture advocate, and Wikimedian*
>> > *www.sarahstierch.com <http://www.sarahstierch.com>*
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