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Katherine Maher
Hi all,

Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and
including your most recent input into the lastest version of the movement
strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]

We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October 1.
Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and groups to
endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my greatest
thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many of you have
made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a shared strategic
direction.

In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will involve
developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we have built
together. I do not have many more details to share right now, but will of
course offer an update as they become available.

*Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback on the
draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
feedback you offered.

*Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will be invited
to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we are
building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the process and
timeline.

*Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the volunteers,
staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible! As we
transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded and new ones
created in their place. We'll keep you updated.

*Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join Wikimedians from
Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth annual Wikimedia
CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla led a
series of discussions on the direction, including what it means for CEE.[3]
Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the attendees for such
a wonderful event!

*In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you appreciate these
updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm talking to
the Communications department about keeping them going once the strategic
planning process concludes, with a focus on more general updates. Keep the
feedback coming.

Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its incredible and
often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many within the
Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have been
affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been in touch
with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any support we
can.

Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation is in the
process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower. We invite
you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]

We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process, and I am
incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the strategy. Thank
you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process. We have
more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved already.

Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),

Katherine

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction
[2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017
[3]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
[4]
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-September/088654.html
[5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters

--
Katherine Maher
Executive Director

*We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*

Wikimedia Foundation
1 Montgomery Street, Suite 1600
San Francisco, CA 94104

+1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
+1 (415) 712 4873
[hidden email]
https://annual.wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Isaac Olatunde
Thanks for the update, Katherine.

Regards,

Isaac

On Sep 30, 2017 9:29 PM, "Katherine Maher" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi all,

Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and
including your most recent input into the lastest version of the movement
strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]

We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October 1.
Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and groups to
endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my greatest
thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many of you have
made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a shared strategic
direction.

In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will involve
developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we have built
together. I do not have many more details to share right now, but will of
course offer an update as they become available.

*Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback on the
draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
feedback you offered.

*Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will be invited
to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we are
building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the process and
timeline.

*Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the volunteers,
staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible! As we
transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded and new ones
created in their place. We'll keep you updated.

*Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join Wikimedians from
Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth annual Wikimedia
CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla led a
series of discussions on the direction, including what it means for CEE.[3]
Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the attendees for such
a wonderful event!

*In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you appreciate these
updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm talking to
the Communications department about keeping them going once the strategic
planning process concludes, with a focus on more general updates. Keep the
feedback coming.

Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its incredible and
often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many within the
Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have been
affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been in touch
with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any support we
can.

Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation is in the
process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower. We invite
you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]

We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process, and I am
incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the strategy. Thank
you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process. We have
more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved already.

Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),

Katherine

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction
[2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017
[3]
<a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%
E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
[4]
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-September/088654.html
[5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters

--
Katherine Maher
Executive Director

*We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*

Wikimedia Foundation
1 Montgomery Street, Suite 1600
San Francisco, CA 94104

+1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
+1 (415) 712 4873
[hidden email]
https://annual.wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Ziko van Dijk-3
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Hello Katherine,

This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from being
a useful and appropriate document for our future.

The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed in the
rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
feedback you offered."

You have announced that organizations and individuals are invited to
endorse the draft. Will there also be a possibility to reject the draft? I
remember the 2011 image filter referendum, when the WMF asked the community
how important it finds the filter, but not giving the option to be against
it.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_referendum/en&
uselang=en

The drafts tries to enforce a new definition of the "community": "from
editors to donors, to organizers, and beyond". I thought that "community"
were people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a regular basis
as volunteers.

I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if in future
more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact abolishing the
community.

Kind regards,
Ziko van Dijk





2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <[hidden email]>:

> Hi all,
>
> Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and
> including your most recent input into the lastest version of the movement
> strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]
>
> We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October 1.
> Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and groups to
> endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my greatest
> thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many of you have
> made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a shared strategic
> direction.
>
> In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will involve
> developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we have built
> together. I do not have many more details to share right now, but will of
> course offer an update as they become available.
>
> *Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback on the
> draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
> feedback you offered.
>
> *Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
> organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will be invited
> to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we are
> building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the process and
> timeline.
>
> *Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the volunteers,
> staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible! As we
> transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded and new ones
> created in their place. We'll keep you updated.
>
> *Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join Wikimedians from
> Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth annual Wikimedia
> CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla led a
> series of discussions on the direction, including what it means for CEE.[3]
> Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the attendees for such
> a wonderful event!
>
> *In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you appreciate these
> updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm talking to
> the Communications department about keeping them going once the strategic
> planning process concludes, with a focus on more general updates. Keep the
> feedback coming.
>
> Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its incredible and
> often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many within the
> Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have been
> affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been in touch
> with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any support we
> can.
>
> Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation is in the
> process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower. We invite
> you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]
>
> We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process, and I am
> incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the strategy. Thank
> you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process. We have
> more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved already.
>
> Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),
>
> Katherine
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction
> [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017
> [3]
> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%
> E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
> [4]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> September/088654.html
> [5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters
>
> --
> Katherine Maher
> Executive Director
>
> *We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*
>
> Wikimedia Foundation
> 1 Montgomery Street, Suite 1600
> San Francisco, CA 94104
>
> +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
> +1 (415) 712 4873
> [hidden email]
> https://annual.wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Fæ
Ziko's point may not fit the rigid Americanocentric ideal of everything
must be positive, fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one, but he's spot on
with how the foundations remain flawed.

Only ever hearing congratulations and thanks can get you to a win, but will
never keep you there.

Return to the talk page and use the criticism to help meaningful
improvements, please.

Fae
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LGBT+
http://telegram.me/wmlgbt

On 2 Oct 2017 14:56, "Ziko van Dijk" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello Katherine,

This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from being
a useful and appropriate document for our future.

The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed in the
rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
feedback you offered."

You have announced that organizations and individuals are invited to
endorse the draft. Will there also be a possibility to reject the draft? I
remember the 2011 image filter referendum, when the WMF asked the community
how important it finds the filter, but not giving the option to be against
it.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_referendum/en&
uselang=en

The drafts tries to enforce a new definition of the "community": "from
editors to donors, to organizers, and beyond". I thought that "community"
were people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a regular basis
as volunteers.

I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if in future
more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact abolishing the
community.

Kind regards,
Ziko van Dijk





2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <[hidden email]>:

> Hi all,
>
> Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and
> including your most recent input into the lastest version of the movement
> strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]
>
> We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October 1.
> Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and groups to
> endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my greatest
> thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many of you have
> made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a shared
strategic

> direction.
>
> In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will involve
> developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we have built
> together. I do not have many more details to share right now, but will of
> course offer an update as they become available.
>
> *Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback on the
> draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
> feedback you offered.
>
> *Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
> organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will be invited
> to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we are
> building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the process and
> timeline.
>
> *Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the volunteers,
> staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible! As we
> transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded and new
ones
> created in their place. We'll keep you updated.
>
> *Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join Wikimedians from
> Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth annual
Wikimedia
> CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla led a
> series of discussions on the direction, including what it means for
CEE.[3]
> Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the attendees for
such

> a wonderful event!
>
> *In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you appreciate these
> updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm talking to
> the Communications department about keeping them going once the strategic
> planning process concludes, with a focus on more general updates. Keep the
> feedback coming.
>
> Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its incredible and
> often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many within the
> Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have been
> affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been in touch
> with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any support we
> can.
>
> Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation is in the
> process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower. We invite
> you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]
>
> We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process, and I am
> incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the strategy. Thank
> you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process. We have
> more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved already.
>
> Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),
>
> Katherine
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction
> [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017
> [3]
> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%
> E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
> [4]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> September/088654.html
> [5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters
>
> --
> Katherine Maher
> Executive Director
>
> *We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*
>
> Wikimedia Foundation
> 1 Montgomery Street, Suite 1600
> San Francisco, CA 94104
>
> +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
> +1 (415) 712 4873
> [hidden email]
> https://annual.wikimedia.org
> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Joseph Seddon-4
Based on your definition of community does that mean that mediawiki
developers are not part of the Wikimedia community?

Are people who volunteer in the real world or teachers who incorporate
Wikipedia into their classes not part of the Wikimedia community?

Members of staff of GLAM institutions who we partner with and who
evangelise on our behalf? Are they not part of the Wikimedia community?

This more inclusive definition has long been used by some affiliates.

To exclude these individuals would be against the very values of openness
that we claim to represent and to be blunt, simply alienating.

Seddon

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Ziko's point may not fit the rigid Americanocentric ideal of everything
> must be positive, fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one, but he's spot on
> with how the foundations remain flawed.
>
> Only ever hearing congratulations and thanks can get you to a win, but will
> never keep you there.
>
> Return to the talk page and use the criticism to help meaningful
> improvements, please.
>
> Fae
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LGBT+
> http://telegram.me/wmlgbt
>
> On 2 Oct 2017 14:56, "Ziko van Dijk" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hello Katherine,
>
> This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from being
> a useful and appropriate document for our future.
>
> The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed in the
> rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
> feedback you offered."
>
> You have announced that organizations and individuals are invited to
> endorse the draft. Will there also be a possibility to reject the draft? I
> remember the 2011 image filter referendum, when the WMF asked the community
> how important it finds the filter, but not giving the option to be against
> it.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_referendum/en&
> uselang=en
>
> The drafts tries to enforce a new definition of the "community": "from
> editors to donors, to organizers, and beyond". I thought that "community"
> were people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a regular basis
> as volunteers.
>
> I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if in future
> more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact abolishing the
> community.
>
> Kind regards,
> Ziko van Dijk
>
>
>
>
>
> 2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and
> > including your most recent input into the lastest version of the movement
> > strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]
> >
> > We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October 1.
> > Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and groups to
> > endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my greatest
> > thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many of you
> have
> > made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a shared
> strategic
> > direction.
> >
> > In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will involve
> > developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we have built
> > together. I do not have many more details to share right now, but will of
> > course offer an update as they become available.
> >
> > *Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback on the
> > draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
> > feedback you offered.
> >
> > *Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
> > organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will be
> invited
> > to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we are
> > building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the process
> and
> > timeline.
> >
> > *Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the
> volunteers,
> > staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible! As we
> > transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded and new
> ones
> > created in their place. We'll keep you updated.
> >
> > *Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join Wikimedians from
> > Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth annual
> Wikimedia
> > CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla led a
> > series of discussions on the direction, including what it means for
> CEE.[3]
> > Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the attendees for
> such
> > a wonderful event!
> >
> > *In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you appreciate
> these
> > updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm talking
> to
> > the Communications department about keeping them going once the strategic
> > planning process concludes, with a focus on more general updates. Keep
> the
> > feedback coming.
> >
> > Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its incredible and
> > often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many within the
> > Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have been
> > affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been in touch
> > with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any support we
> > can.
> >
> > Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation is in
> the
> > process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower. We invite
> > you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]
> >
> > We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process, and I am
> > incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the strategy. Thank
> > you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process. We have
> > more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved already.
> >
> > Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),
> >
> > Katherine
> >
> > [1]
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> movement/2017/Direction
> > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017
> > [3]
> > <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%
> > E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
> > [4]
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> > September/088654.html
> > [5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters
> >
> > --
> > Katherine Maher
> > Executive Director
> >
> > *We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*
> >
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> > 1 Montgomery Street, Suite 1600
> > San Francisco, CA 94104
> >
> > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
> > +1 (415) 712 4873
> > [hidden email]
> > https://annual.wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Amir E. Aharoni
I don't read Ziko's concern as one that suggests to exclude developers or
teachers.

I read it as a suggestion that "... and beyond" is too inclusive, and thus
it doesn't mean much. This is a concern that I share myself. I'm all for
being inclusive, but the whole point of defining something is that it
should have _some_ limits.

If Ziko have meant something else, I'll be happy to know.

I'm assuming good faith on everybody's behalf. We come from different
cultures, we have different ideas, and we have different native languages.
That's precisely why we need clearer definitions, not fuzzier ones.


--
Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
http://aharoni.wordpress.com
‪“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

2017-10-02 17:12 GMT+03:00 Joseph Seddon <[hidden email]>:

> Based on your definition of community does that mean that mediawiki
> developers are not part of the Wikimedia community?
>
> Are people who volunteer in the real world or teachers who incorporate
> Wikipedia into their classes not part of the Wikimedia community?
>
> Members of staff of GLAM institutions who we partner with and who
> evangelise on our behalf? Are they not part of the Wikimedia community?
>
> This more inclusive definition has long been used by some affiliates.
>
> To exclude these individuals would be against the very values of openness
> that we claim to represent and to be blunt, simply alienating.
>
> Seddon
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Ziko's point may not fit the rigid Americanocentric ideal of everything
> > must be positive, fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one, but he's spot on
> > with how the foundations remain flawed.
> >
> > Only ever hearing congratulations and thanks can get you to a win, but
> will
> > never keep you there.
> >
> > Return to the talk page and use the criticism to help meaningful
> > improvements, please.
> >
> > Fae
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LGBT+
> > http://telegram.me/wmlgbt
> >
> > On 2 Oct 2017 14:56, "Ziko van Dijk" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Katherine,
> >
> > This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from
> being
> > a useful and appropriate document for our future.
> >
> > The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed in the
> > rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based on
> the
> > feedback you offered."
> >
> > You have announced that organizations and individuals are invited to
> > endorse the draft. Will there also be a possibility to reject the draft?
> I
> > remember the 2011 image filter referendum, when the WMF asked the
> community
> > how important it finds the filter, but not giving the option to be
> against
> > it.
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_referendum/en&
> > uselang=en
> >
> > The drafts tries to enforce a new definition of the "community": "from
> > editors to donors, to organizers, and beyond". I thought that "community"
> > were people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a regular basis
> > as volunteers.
> >
> > I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if in
> future
> > more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact abolishing
> the
> > community.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Ziko van Dijk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and
> > > including your most recent input into the lastest version of the
> movement
> > > strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]
> > >
> > > We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October 1.
> > > Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and groups to
> > > endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my greatest
> > > thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many of you
> > have
> > > made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a shared
> > strategic
> > > direction.
> > >
> > > In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will
> involve
> > > developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we have
> built
> > > together. I do not have many more details to share right now, but will
> of
> > > course offer an update as they become available.
> > >
> > > *Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback on
> the
> > > draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
> > > feedback you offered.
> > >
> > > *Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
> > > organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will be
> > invited
> > > to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we are
> > > building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the process
> > and
> > > timeline.
> > >
> > > *Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the
> > volunteers,
> > > staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible! As we
> > > transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded and new
> > ones
> > > created in their place. We'll keep you updated.
> > >
> > > *Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join Wikimedians from
> > > Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth annual
> > Wikimedia
> > > CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla led a
> > > series of discussions on the direction, including what it means for
> > CEE.[3]
> > > Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the attendees for
> > such
> > > a wonderful event!
> > >
> > > *In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you appreciate
> > these
> > > updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm talking
> > to
> > > the Communications department about keeping them going once the
> strategic
> > > planning process concludes, with a focus on more general updates. Keep
> > the
> > > feedback coming.
> > >
> > > Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its incredible and
> > > often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many within the
> > > Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have been
> > > affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been in
> touch
> > > with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any support
> we
> > > can.
> > >
> > > Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation is in
> > the
> > > process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower. We
> invite
> > > you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]
> > >
> > > We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process, and I am
> > > incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the strategy.
> Thank
> > > you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process. We have
> > > more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved already.
> > >
> > > Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),
> > >
> > > Katherine
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > movement/2017/Direction
> > > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017
> > > [3]
> > > <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%
> > > E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
> > > [4]
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> > > September/088654.html
> > > [5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters
> > >
> > > --
> > > Katherine Maher
> > > Executive Director
> > >
> > > *We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*
> > >
> > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > 1 Montgomery Street, Suite 1600
> > > San Francisco, CA 94104
> > >
> > > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
> > > +1 (415) 712 4873
> > > [hidden email]
> > > https://annual.wikimedia.org
> > > _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Fæ
In reply to this post by Joseph Seddon-4
All possible stakeholders and participants in our 'value chain' should be
consulted and be part of developing strategy.

That does not make them all the same as the community that create our
projects or sustain our content long term. It's a mime that has been pushed
and stretched until the community of unpaid and "nonprofessional"
volunteers feel like second class citizens without a vote when it ever
matters.

Fae
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LGBT+
http://telegram.me/wmlgbt

On 2 Oct 2017 15:12, "Joseph Seddon" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Based on your definition of community does that mean that mediawiki
> developers are not part of the Wikimedia community?
>
> Are people who volunteer in the real world or teachers who incorporate
> Wikipedia into their classes not part of the Wikimedia community?
>
> Members of staff of GLAM institutions who we partner with and who
> evangelise on our behalf? Are they not part of the Wikimedia community?
>
> This more inclusive definition has long been used by some affiliates.
>
> To exclude these individuals would be against the very values of openness
> that we claim to represent and to be blunt, simply alienating.
>
> Seddon
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Ziko's point may not fit the rigid Americanocentric ideal of everything
> > must be positive, fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one, but he's spot on
> > with how the foundations remain flawed.
> >
> > Only ever hearing congratulations and thanks can get you to a win, but
> will
> > never keep you there.
> >
> > Return to the talk page and use the criticism to help meaningful
> > improvements, please.
> >
> > Fae
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LGBT+
> > http://telegram.me/wmlgbt
> >
> > On 2 Oct 2017 14:56, "Ziko van Dijk" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Katherine,
> >
> > This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from
> being
> > a useful and appropriate document for our future.
> >
> > The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed in the
> > rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based on
> the
> > feedback you offered."
> >
> > You have announced that organizations and individuals are invited to
> > endorse the draft. Will there also be a possibility to reject the draft?
> I
> > remember the 2011 image filter referendum, when the WMF asked the
> community
> > how important it finds the filter, but not giving the option to be
> against
> > it.
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_referendum/en&
> > uselang=en
> >
> > The drafts tries to enforce a new definition of the "community": "from
> > editors to donors, to organizers, and beyond". I thought that "community"
> > were people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a regular basis
> > as volunteers.
> >
> > I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if in
> future
> > more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact abolishing
> the
> > community.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Ziko van Dijk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and
> > > including your most recent input into the lastest version of the
> movement
> > > strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]
> > >
> > > We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October 1.
> > > Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and groups to
> > > endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my greatest
> > > thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many of you
> > have
> > > made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a shared
> > strategic
> > > direction.
> > >
> > > In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will
> involve
> > > developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we have
> built
> > > together. I do not have many more details to share right now, but will
> of
> > > course offer an update as they become available.
> > >
> > > *Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback on
> the
> > > draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
> > > feedback you offered.
> > >
> > > *Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
> > > organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will be
> > invited
> > > to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we are
> > > building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the process
> > and
> > > timeline.
> > >
> > > *Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the
> > volunteers,
> > > staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible! As we
> > > transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded and new
> > ones
> > > created in their place. We'll keep you updated.
> > >
> > > *Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join Wikimedians from
> > > Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth annual
> > Wikimedia
> > > CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla led a
> > > series of discussions on the direction, including what it means for
> > CEE.[3]
> > > Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the attendees for
> > such
> > > a wonderful event!
> > >
> > > *In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you appreciate
> > these
> > > updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm talking
> > to
> > > the Communications department about keeping them going once the
> strategic
> > > planning process concludes, with a focus on more general updates. Keep
> > the
> > > feedback coming.
> > >
> > > Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its incredible and
> > > often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many within the
> > > Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have been
> > > affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been in
> touch
> > > with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any support
> we
> > > can.
> > >
> > > Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation is in
> > the
> > > process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower. We
> invite
> > > you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]
> > >
> > > We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process, and I am
> > > incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the strategy.
> Thank
> > > you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process. We have
> > > more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved already.
> > >
> > > Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),
> > >
> > > Katherine
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > movement/2017/Direction
> > > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017
> > > [3]
> > > <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%
> > > E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
> > > [4]
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> > > September/088654.html
> > > [5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters
> > >
> > > --
> > > Katherine Maher
> > > Executive Director
> > >
> > > *We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*
> > >
> > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > 1 Montgomery Street, Suite 1600
> > > San Francisco, CA 94104
> > >
> > > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
> > > +1 (415) 712 4873
> > > [hidden email]
> > > https://annual.wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Ziko van Dijk-3
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Hello Joseph,

We must distinguish between the community, the movement and partners of the
movement.

The Wikimedia movement is not a community, it consists of several
communities. Such as the community of Wikipedia in French, of Wikidata or
of Mediawiki.org.

Staffers of the WMF are part of the movement, as the WMF is part of the
movement, as a chapter is part of the movement. Individual staff members or
chapter board members can belong to communities.

Donors can be part of the movement, if they like to see themselves as such.
I doubt that many people who donate 10 euros think of themselves as
"community".

Staff from our GLAM partners are partners, not community, not movement.

I wonder if the WMF will say in future "we asked the community and it
approved it", what will be the meaning of "the community"?

Kind regards
Ziko





2017-10-02 16:12 GMT+02:00 Joseph Seddon <[hidden email]>:

> Based on your definition of community does that mean that mediawiki
> developers are not part of the Wikimedia community?
>
> Are people who volunteer in the real world or teachers who incorporate
> Wikipedia into their classes not part of the Wikimedia community?
>
> Members of staff of GLAM institutions who we partner with and who
> evangelise on our behalf? Are they not part of the Wikimedia community?
>
> This more inclusive definition has long been used by some affiliates.
>
> To exclude these individuals would be against the very values of openness
> that we claim to represent and to be blunt, simply alienating.
>
> Seddon
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Ziko's point may not fit the rigid Americanocentric ideal of everything
> > must be positive, fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one, but he's spot on
> > with how the foundations remain flawed.
> >
> > Only ever hearing congratulations and thanks can get you to a win, but
> will
> > never keep you there.
> >
> > Return to the talk page and use the criticism to help meaningful
> > improvements, please.
> >
> > Fae
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LGBT+
> > http://telegram.me/wmlgbt
> >
> > On 2 Oct 2017 14:56, "Ziko van Dijk" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Katherine,
> >
> > This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from
> being
> > a useful and appropriate document for our future.
> >
> > The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed in the
> > rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based on
> the
> > feedback you offered."
> >
> > You have announced that organizations and individuals are invited to
> > endorse the draft. Will there also be a possibility to reject the draft?
> I
> > remember the 2011 image filter referendum, when the WMF asked the
> community
> > how important it finds the filter, but not giving the option to be
> against
> > it.
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_referendum/en&
> > uselang=en
> >
> > The drafts tries to enforce a new definition of the "community": "from
> > editors to donors, to organizers, and beyond". I thought that "community"
> > were people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a regular basis
> > as volunteers.
> >
> > I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if in
> future
> > more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact abolishing
> the
> > community.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Ziko van Dijk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and
> > > including your most recent input into the lastest version of the
> movement
> > > strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]
> > >
> > > We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October 1.
> > > Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and groups to
> > > endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my greatest
> > > thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many of you
> > have
> > > made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a shared
> > strategic
> > > direction.
> > >
> > > In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will
> involve
> > > developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we have
> built
> > > together. I do not have many more details to share right now, but will
> of
> > > course offer an update as they become available.
> > >
> > > *Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback on
> the
> > > draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
> > > feedback you offered.
> > >
> > > *Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
> > > organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will be
> > invited
> > > to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we are
> > > building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the process
> > and
> > > timeline.
> > >
> > > *Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the
> > volunteers,
> > > staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible! As we
> > > transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded and new
> > ones
> > > created in their place. We'll keep you updated.
> > >
> > > *Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join Wikimedians from
> > > Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth annual
> > Wikimedia
> > > CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla led a
> > > series of discussions on the direction, including what it means for
> > CEE.[3]
> > > Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the attendees for
> > such
> > > a wonderful event!
> > >
> > > *In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you appreciate
> > these
> > > updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm talking
> > to
> > > the Communications department about keeping them going once the
> strategic
> > > planning process concludes, with a focus on more general updates. Keep
> > the
> > > feedback coming.
> > >
> > > Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its incredible and
> > > often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many within the
> > > Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have been
> > > affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been in
> touch
> > > with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any support
> we
> > > can.
> > >
> > > Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation is in
> > the
> > > process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower. We
> invite
> > > you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]
> > >
> > > We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process, and I am
> > > incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the strategy.
> Thank
> > > you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process. We have
> > > more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved already.
> > >
> > > Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),
> > >
> > > Katherine
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > movement/2017/Direction
> > > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017
> > > [3]
> > > <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%
> > > E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
> > > [4]
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> > > September/088654.html
> > > [5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters
> > >
> > > --
> > > Katherine Maher
> > > Executive Director
> > >
> > > *We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*
> > >
> > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > 1 Montgomery Street, Suite 1600
> > > San Francisco, CA 94104
> > >
> > > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
> > > +1 (415) 712 4873
> > > [hidden email]
> > > https://annual.wikimedia.org
> > > _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Yaroslav Blanter
In reply to this post by Joseph Seddon-4
As I mentioned earlier on a different occasion, at the very first step we
at the Russian Wikivoyage have taken the strategy discussion seriously and
compiled this document (Russian + translation to English),

https://ru.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82:%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%8F

It was essentially ignored: We never received any feedback, and there was
no indication any of our points were taken to Step 2, or, in fact, that
anybody ever read it. (Which indeed corresponds with the existing proposal
to define all Wikivoyage communities as least developed - "(lower impact;
don't merit *proactive* investment)").

After that, none of us participated in the subsequent strategy discussions.
I am clearly not going to endorse the resulting strategy document, though I
appreciate the time and effort of people who compiled it.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Joseph Seddon <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Based on your definition of community does that mean that mediawiki
> developers are not part of the Wikimedia community?
>
> Are people who volunteer in the real world or teachers who incorporate
> Wikipedia into their classes not part of the Wikimedia community?
>
> Members of staff of GLAM institutions who we partner with and who
> evangelise on our behalf? Are they not part of the Wikimedia community?
>
> This more inclusive definition has long been used by some affiliates.
>
> To exclude these individuals would be against the very values of openness
> that we claim to represent and to be blunt, simply alienating.
>
> Seddon
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Ziko's point may not fit the rigid Americanocentric ideal of everything
> > must be positive, fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one, but he's spot on
> > with how the foundations remain flawed.
> >
> > Only ever hearing congratulations and thanks can get you to a win, but
> will
> > never keep you there.
> >
> > Return to the talk page and use the criticism to help meaningful
> > improvements, please.
> >
> > Fae
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LGBT+
> > http://telegram.me/wmlgbt
> >
> > On 2 Oct 2017 14:56, "Ziko van Dijk" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Katherine,
> >
> > This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from
> being
> > a useful and appropriate document for our future.
> >
> > The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed in the
> > rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based on
> the
> > feedback you offered."
> >
> > You have announced that organizations and individuals are invited to
> > endorse the draft. Will there also be a possibility to reject the draft?
> I
> > remember the 2011 image filter referendum, when the WMF asked the
> community
> > how important it finds the filter, but not giving the option to be
> against
> > it.
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_referendum/en&
> > uselang=en
> >
> > The drafts tries to enforce a new definition of the "community": "from
> > editors to donors, to organizers, and beyond". I thought that "community"
> > were people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a regular basis
> > as volunteers.
> >
> > I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if in
> future
> > more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact abolishing
> the
> > community.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Ziko van Dijk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and
> > > including your most recent input into the lastest version of the
> movement
> > > strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]
> > >
> > > We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October 1.
> > > Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and groups to
> > > endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my greatest
> > > thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many of you
> > have
> > > made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a shared
> > strategic
> > > direction.
> > >
> > > In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will
> involve
> > > developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we have
> built
> > > together. I do not have many more details to share right now, but will
> of
> > > course offer an update as they become available.
> > >
> > > *Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback on
> the
> > > draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
> > > feedback you offered.
> > >
> > > *Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
> > > organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will be
> > invited
> > > to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we are
> > > building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the process
> > and
> > > timeline.
> > >
> > > *Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the
> > volunteers,
> > > staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible! As we
> > > transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded and new
> > ones
> > > created in their place. We'll keep you updated.
> > >
> > > *Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join Wikimedians from
> > > Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth annual
> > Wikimedia
> > > CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla led a
> > > series of discussions on the direction, including what it means for
> > CEE.[3]
> > > Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the attendees for
> > such
> > > a wonderful event!
> > >
> > > *In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you appreciate
> > these
> > > updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm talking
> > to
> > > the Communications department about keeping them going once the
> strategic
> > > planning process concludes, with a focus on more general updates. Keep
> > the
> > > feedback coming.
> > >
> > > Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its incredible and
> > > often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many within the
> > > Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have been
> > > affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been in
> touch
> > > with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any support
> we
> > > can.
> > >
> > > Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation is in
> > the
> > > process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower. We
> invite
> > > you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]
> > >
> > > We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process, and I am
> > > incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the strategy.
> Thank
> > > you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process. We have
> > > more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved already.
> > >
> > > Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),
> > >
> > > Katherine
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > movement/2017/Direction
> > > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017
> > > [3]
> > > <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%
> > > E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
> > > [4]
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> > > September/088654.html
> > > [5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters
> > >
> > > --
> > > Katherine Maher
> > > Executive Director
> > >
> > > *We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*
> > >
> > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > 1 Montgomery Street, Suite 1600
> > > San Francisco, CA 94104
> > >
> > > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
> > > +1 (415) 712 4873
> > > [hidden email]
> > > https://annual.wikimedia.org
> > > _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Guillaume Paumier-3
In reply to this post by Ziko van Dijk-3
Hello,

If you feel a strong urge to reject the text, there is obviously nothing
preventing anyone from creating a Meta-Wiki page to that purpose. However,
I would first ask to reflect on the process, its outcome, and where it's
going.

Strategy is complicated. Building a movement strategy even more so [
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/05/19/wikimedia-strategy-2030-discussions/
]. One person's serious issue may be another person's slight preference.
People's serious issues may be at odds with each other (and I can tell you
from experience that they are indeed). Balancing all those priorities is a
difficult exercise, and I certainly don't claim to have done it perfectly.
But I do think the outcome we've arrived at represents the shared vision of
a large part of the movement.

As I was writing, rewriting and editing the text of the direction, I did
consider everything that was shared on the talk page, and the last version
is indeed based on those comments, as well as those shared during multiple
Wikimania sessions, individual chats, comments from the Drafting group,
from affiliates, from staff, and so on.

While I did consider all of those, I didn't respond to every single
comment, and there is little I can do about that except apologize and
endeavor to do better. I should have set clearer expectations that not
every comment would be integrated in the text. I ran into an issue all too
familiar in the Wikiverse where one person had to integrate comments and
feedback from a large group of people at the same time.

High-level vision and strategy integration isn't really something that can
be spread across a group of people as easily as writing an encyclopedia
article, and so I ended up being a bottleneck for responding to comments. I
had to prioritize what I deemed were issues that were shared by a large
group, and those that seemed to be more individual concerns.

Anyone who knows me knows that I'm not the "everything must be positive,
fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one" type. If anything, I'm rather the
opposite, as I think many Wikimedians are. If we had unlimited time, I'd
probably continue to edit the draft for years, and I'm sure there would be
other perfectionists to feed my obsession.

However, others in my personal and professional circles have helped me
realize in the past few weeks that even getting to this stage of the
process is remarkable. As Wikimedians, we often focus on what's wrong and
needs fixing. Sometimes, our negativity bias leads us to lose focus of the
accomplishments. This can clash with the typical American culture, but I
think somewhere in the middle is where those respective tunnel visions
widen and meet.

One thing I've learned from Ed Bland, my co-architect during this process,
is that sometimes things can't be perfect. Sometimes, excellence means
recognizing when something is "good enough" and getting out of the
asymptotic editing and decision paralysis loop. It means accepting that a
few things annoy us so that a larger group of people is excited and
motivated to participate.

From everything I've heard and read in the past two months, the last
version of the direction is agreeable to a large part of individuals,
groups, and organizations that have been involved in the process. Not
everyone agrees with everything in the document, even within the
Foundation, and even me. But enough people across the movement agree with
enough of the document that we can all use it as a starting point for the
next phase of discussions about roles, resources, and responsibilities.

I do hope that many of you will consider endorsing the direction in a few
weeks. While I won't claim to know everyone involved, I think I know you
enough, Ziko and Fæ, from your work and long-time commitment in the
movement, to venture that there is more in this document that you agree
with than that you disagree with. I hope that the prospect of moving in a
shared direction will outweigh the possible annoyances. And so I hope that
we'll endorse the direction together, even if it's in our typically
Wikimedian begrudging fashion.


2017-10-02 6:56 GMT-07:00 Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]>:

> Hello Katherine,
>
> This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from being
> a useful and appropriate document for our future.
>
> The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed in the
> rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
> feedback you offered."
>
> You have announced that organizations and individuals are invited to
> endorse the draft. Will there also be a possibility to reject the draft? I
> remember the 2011 image filter referendum, when the WMF asked the community
> how important it finds the filter, but not giving the option to be against
> it.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_referendum/en&
> uselang=en
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_referendum/en&uselang=en>
>
> The drafts tries to enforce a new definition of the "community": "from
> editors to donors, to organizers, and beyond". I thought that "community"
> were people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a regular basis
> as volunteers.
>
> I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if in future
> more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact abolishing the
> community.
>
> Kind regards,
> Ziko van Dijk
>
>
>
>
>
> 2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and
> > including your most recent input into the lastest version of the movement
> > strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]
> >
> > We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October 1.
> > Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and groups to
> > endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my greatest
> > thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many of you
> have
> > made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a shared
> strategic
> > direction.
> >
> > In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will involve
> > developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we have built
> > together. I do not have many more details to share right now, but will of
> > course offer an update as they become available.
> >
> > *Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback on the
> > draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
> > feedback you offered.
> >
> > *Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
> > organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will be
> invited
> > to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we are
> > building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the process
> and
> > timeline.
> >
> > *Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the
> volunteers,
> > staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible! As we
> > transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded and new
> ones
> > created in their place. We'll keep you updated.
> >
> > *Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join Wikimedians from
> > Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth annual
> Wikimedia
> > CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla led a
> > series of discussions on the direction, including what it means for
> CEE.[3]
> > Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the attendees for
> such
> > a wonderful event!
> >
> > *In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you appreciate
> these
> > updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm talking
> to
> > the Communications department about keeping them going once the strategic
> > planning process concludes, with a focus on more general updates. Keep
> the
> > feedback coming.
> >
> > Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its incredible and
> > often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many within the
> > Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have been
> > affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been in touch
> > with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any support we
> > can.
> >
> > Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation is in
> the
> > process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower. We invite
> > you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]
> >
> > We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process, and I am
> > incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the strategy. Thank
> > you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process. We have
> > more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved already.
> >
> > Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),
> >
> > Katherine
> >
> > [1]
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/
> 2017/Direction
> > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017
> > [3]
> > <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%
> > E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
> > [4]
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> > September/088654.html
> > [5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters
> >
> > --
> > Katherine Maher
> > Executive Director
> >
> > *We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*
> >
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> > 1 Montgomery Street, Suite 1600
> > San Francisco, CA 94104
> >
> > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
> > +1 (415) 712 4873
> > [hidden email]
> > https://annual.wikimedia.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Yuri Astrakhan
For a while I have had a strong sensation, possibly unjustly so, of a
highly over-complicated result. There are many good words, but I keep not
seeing a simple, concise, intuitively understood statement.  I feel we are
still missing an understandable elevator pitch.  If asked, I seriously
doubt I would be able to explain where things are headed.

It is easy to explain in a complicated way.  It is very hard to explain it
simply.  Or as Einstein put it, “If you can't explain it simply, you don't
understand it well enough.”

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Guillaume Paumier <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> If you feel a strong urge to reject the text, there is obviously nothing
> preventing anyone from creating a Meta-Wiki page to that purpose. However,
> I would first ask to reflect on the process, its outcome, and where it's
> going.
>
> Strategy is complicated. Building a movement strategy even more so [
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/05/19/wikimedia-strategy-2030-discussions/
> ]. One person's serious issue may be another person's slight preference.
> People's serious issues may be at odds with each other (and I can tell you
> from experience that they are indeed). Balancing all those priorities is a
> difficult exercise, and I certainly don't claim to have done it perfectly.
> But I do think the outcome we've arrived at represents the shared vision of
> a large part of the movement.
>
> As I was writing, rewriting and editing the text of the direction, I did
> consider everything that was shared on the talk page, and the last version
> is indeed based on those comments, as well as those shared during multiple
> Wikimania sessions, individual chats, comments from the Drafting group,
> from affiliates, from staff, and so on.
>
> While I did consider all of those, I didn't respond to every single
> comment, and there is little I can do about that except apologize and
> endeavor to do better. I should have set clearer expectations that not
> every comment would be integrated in the text. I ran into an issue all too
> familiar in the Wikiverse where one person had to integrate comments and
> feedback from a large group of people at the same time.
>
> High-level vision and strategy integration isn't really something that can
> be spread across a group of people as easily as writing an encyclopedia
> article, and so I ended up being a bottleneck for responding to comments. I
> had to prioritize what I deemed were issues that were shared by a large
> group, and those that seemed to be more individual concerns.
>
> Anyone who knows me knows that I'm not the "everything must be positive,
> fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one" type. If anything, I'm rather the
> opposite, as I think many Wikimedians are. If we had unlimited time, I'd
> probably continue to edit the draft for years, and I'm sure there would be
> other perfectionists to feed my obsession.
>
> However, others in my personal and professional circles have helped me
> realize in the past few weeks that even getting to this stage of the
> process is remarkable. As Wikimedians, we often focus on what's wrong and
> needs fixing. Sometimes, our negativity bias leads us to lose focus of the
> accomplishments. This can clash with the typical American culture, but I
> think somewhere in the middle is where those respective tunnel visions
> widen and meet.
>
> One thing I've learned from Ed Bland, my co-architect during this process,
> is that sometimes things can't be perfect. Sometimes, excellence means
> recognizing when something is "good enough" and getting out of the
> asymptotic editing and decision paralysis loop. It means accepting that a
> few things annoy us so that a larger group of people is excited and
> motivated to participate.
>
> From everything I've heard and read in the past two months, the last
> version of the direction is agreeable to a large part of individuals,
> groups, and organizations that have been involved in the process. Not
> everyone agrees with everything in the document, even within the
> Foundation, and even me. But enough people across the movement agree with
> enough of the document that we can all use it as a starting point for the
> next phase of discussions about roles, resources, and responsibilities.
>
> I do hope that many of you will consider endorsing the direction in a few
> weeks. While I won't claim to know everyone involved, I think I know you
> enough, Ziko and Fæ, from your work and long-time commitment in the
> movement, to venture that there is more in this document that you agree
> with than that you disagree with. I hope that the prospect of moving in a
> shared direction will outweigh the possible annoyances. And so I hope that
> we'll endorse the direction together, even if it's in our typically
> Wikimedian begrudging fashion.
>
>
> 2017-10-02 6:56 GMT-07:00 Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Hello Katherine,
> >
> > This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from
> being
> > a useful and appropriate document for our future.
> >
> > The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed in the
> > rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based on
> the
> > feedback you offered."
> >
> > You have announced that organizations and individuals are invited to
> > endorse the draft. Will there also be a possibility to reject the draft?
> I
> > remember the 2011 image filter referendum, when the WMF asked the
> community
> > how important it finds the filter, but not giving the option to be
> against
> > it.
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_referendum/en&
> > uselang=en
> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_
> referendum/en&uselang=en>
> >
> > The drafts tries to enforce a new definition of the "community": "from
> > editors to donors, to organizers, and beyond". I thought that "community"
> > were people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a regular basis
> > as volunteers.
> >
> > I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if in
> future
> > more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact abolishing
> the
> > community.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Ziko van Dijk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and
> > > including your most recent input into the lastest version of the
> movement
> > > strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]
> > >
> > > We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October 1.
> > > Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and groups to
> > > endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my greatest
> > > thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many of you
> > have
> > > made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a shared
> > strategic
> > > direction.
> > >
> > > In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will
> involve
> > > developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we have
> built
> > > together. I do not have many more details to share right now, but will
> of
> > > course offer an update as they become available.
> > >
> > > *Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback on
> the
> > > draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
> > > feedback you offered.
> > >
> > > *Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
> > > organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will be
> > invited
> > > to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we are
> > > building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the process
> > and
> > > timeline.
> > >
> > > *Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the
> > volunteers,
> > > staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible! As we
> > > transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded and new
> > ones
> > > created in their place. We'll keep you updated.
> > >
> > > *Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join Wikimedians from
> > > Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth annual
> > Wikimedia
> > > CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla led a
> > > series of discussions on the direction, including what it means for
> > CEE.[3]
> > > Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the attendees for
> > such
> > > a wonderful event!
> > >
> > > *In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you appreciate
> > these
> > > updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm talking
> > to
> > > the Communications department about keeping them going once the
> strategic
> > > planning process concludes, with a focus on more general updates. Keep
> > the
> > > feedback coming.
> > >
> > > Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its incredible and
> > > often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many within the
> > > Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have been
> > > affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been in
> touch
> > > with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any support
> we
> > > can.
> > >
> > > Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation is in
> > the
> > > process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower. We
> invite
> > > you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]
> > >
> > > We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process, and I am
> > > incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the strategy.
> Thank
> > > you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process. We have
> > > more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved already.
> > >
> > > Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),
> > >
> > > Katherine
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/
> > 2017/Direction
> > > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017
> > > [3]
> > > <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%
> > > E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
> > > [4]
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> > > September/088654.html
> > > [5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters
> > >
> > > --
> > > Katherine Maher
> > > Executive Director
> > >
> > > *We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*
> > >
> > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > 1 Montgomery Street, Suite 1600
> > > San Francisco, CA 94104
> > >
> > > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
> > > +1 (415) 712 4873
> > > [hidden email]
> > > https://annual.wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Andreas Kolbe-2
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On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello Joseph,
>
> We must distinguish between the community, the movement and partners of the
> movement.
>
> The Wikimedia movement is not a community, it consists of several
> communities. Such as the community of Wikipedia in French, of Wikidata or
> of Mediawiki.org.
>
> Staffers of the WMF are part of the movement, as the WMF is part of the
> movement, as a chapter is part of the movement. Individual staff members or
> chapter board members can belong to communities.
>
> Donors can be part of the movement, if they like to see themselves as such.
> I doubt that many people who donate 10 euros think of themselves as
> "community".
>
> Staff from our GLAM partners are partners, not community, not movement.
>
> I wonder if the WMF will say in future "we asked the community and it
> approved it", what will be the meaning of "the community"?
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko



Reading between the lines of statements like "Knowledge as a service",
"essential infrastructure", "tools for allies and partners to organize and
exchange free knowledge beyond Wikimedia", etc., my sense is that the
document, without saying so explicitly, is very much written from the
perspective that the likes of Google, Amazon, Apple, Bing (and anyone else
developing digital assistants and other types of knowledge delivery
platforms) should be viewed as key partners in the exchange of free
knowledge, and served accordingly, through the development of interfaces
that enable them to deliver Wikimedia content to the end user.

My problem with that is that those are all for-profit companies, while the
volunteers that contribute the free content on which these companies'
profit-making services are based are not only unpaid, but actually incur
expenses in contributing (mostly related to source access).

Given that one of the documents' stated aims is social justice, I am always
amazed that there seems to be a fairly large blind spot in the Wikimedia
universe when it comes to the starkly exploitative element in the free
knowledge economy. The assumption seems to be that volunteers can't help
contributing, that they are adequately compensated by the personal
satisfaction they derive from seeing their contributions shape the
knowledge landscape, and thus do not need to be given any special
consideration.

Given the Wikimedia Foundation's ever-increasing revenue, I'd like to see
more emphasis on reducing the costs of participation and supporting the
volunteer community, to create a little more social justice within the free
knowledge economy, bearing in mind who does the work, and who profits
financially from it.

Speaking about the future development of the knowledge landscape in
general, I would not like to see Wikimedia become the default provider of
knowledge, to the point where the origin of content is obscured and
knowledge becomes synonymous with Wikimedia content. If that's what's being
striven for, I don't like it – monopolies are inherently unhealthy, for
reasons that should be obvious. I'd like to see a more diverse and less
monolithic knowledge system in our future than that implied here. Part of
that is that knowledge providers basing their products on Wikimedia content
should always identify the relevant Wikimedia project as a source.
Knowledge is only knowledge when it is traceable to its sources, rather
than arriving "ex machina".

On a related issue, we discussed in early August the fact that Amazon's use
of Wikipedia content in the Amazon Echo appears to be partly in breach of
that principle (and indeed in breach of Wikipedia's Creative Commons
licence). We were told that Amazon would be contacted, and that we would
likely be given an update in September. But apart from a brief and
inconsequential flurry of posts last month, we do not seem to have made any
progress on this issue. Please step up your efforts in this regard: surely
it cannot be too difficult to get Amazon to state their legal rationale.

Best,
Andreas
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Chris Koerner-2
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Hey Yuri,
IMHO, this section is the closest thing (thus far) to an 'elevator pitch'
for the direction of the movement:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity

You could probably even knock it down to "The Wikimedia movement serves
open knowledge to the world across interfaces and communities. We break
down the social, political, and technical barriers preventing people from
accessing and contributing to free knowledge."

Anything that short is sure to lose the nuance in the longer document
(which I'm sure we've all read!), but it might be a little closer to what
you're looking for. Adapt as necessary.

Yours,
Chris K.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Ziko van Dijk-3
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Hello Guillaume,

Thank you for sharing your point of view. But I cannot agree with you that
this is a case of „negativity bias“ or „tunnel visions“ or „begrudging
fashion“. I have fundamental concerns about the redefinition of the
community and the widening of the movement‘s purpose, and I fully join
Frank Schulenburg‘s statement that the draft paper says hardly anything to
the average Wikipedian.

As I do not know your prerogatives given from above, I cannot judge about
your personal role. I don’t want to and I have nothing against you
personally, on the contrary. Indeed, you took some of the most terrible
things from the paper - such as the „oral traditions“. But they still
appear as a residue in the „Appendix“, and how could it happen in the first
place that they were ever pushed forward by the WMF? Challenge 2 called our
work with reputable sources a „Western bias“. Where did that come from? Not
from the communities (my definition), but from „experts“ such as a man who
runs a company for storytelling and claims that he can trace his ancestry
to the middle ages via „oral traditions“!

As Andreas pointed out, there is much more in the Appendix such as the
cooperations with Youtube and Google, „new incentives“ etc. and also the
opinion that „Wikimedia“ should become more „political“. Certainly, I was
against SOPA and like to see the WMF fight copyright problems. But what I
saw at Wikimania made me wonder about the common ground. The WMF is
partnering up with the ACLU that endorses the freedom of speech for the
KuKluxKlan. The WMF is already approaching EU laws from an American point
of view and dismisses the possibility that Europeans may think differently.

If we keep all those things in the draft paper and in the Appendix - the
WMF will have carte blanche to do literally anything it likes, being a
social movement fighting whatever technical, political or social inequity.
But well, the WMF will claim that that is what the „community“ wants -
given the new definition of community, that would even be true. :-(

Certainly, people can set up a page on Meta to express their concerns about
such an unready draft paper. Is this an announcement that endorsements of
the draft paper will be welcomed at the main gate, while the concerns will
have to use the backyard entrance?

Kind regards
Ziko






Guillaume Paumier <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mo. 2. Okt. 2017 um
22:36:

> Hello,
>
> If you feel a strong urge to reject the text, there is obviously nothing
> preventing anyone from creating a Meta-Wiki page to that purpose. However,
> I would first ask to reflect on the process, its outcome, and where it's
> going.
>
> Strategy is complicated. Building a movement strategy even more so [
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/05/19/wikimedia-strategy-2030-discussions/
> ]. One person's serious issue may be another person's slight preference.
> People's serious issues may be at odds with each other (and I can tell you
> from experience that they are indeed). Balancing all those priorities is a
> difficult exercise, and I certainly don't claim to have done it perfectly.
> But I do think the outcome we've arrived at represents the shared vision of
> a large part of the movement.
>
> As I was writing, rewriting and editing the text of the direction, I did
> consider everything that was shared on the talk page, and the last version
> is indeed based on those comments, as well as those shared during multiple
> Wikimania sessions, individual chats, comments from the Drafting group,
> from affiliates, from staff, and so on.
>
> While I did consider all of those, I didn't respond to every single
> comment, and there is little I can do about that except apologize and
> endeavor to do better. I should have set clearer expectations that not
> every comment would be integrated in the text. I ran into an issue all too
> familiar in the Wikiverse where one person had to integrate comments and
> feedback from a large group of people at the same time.
>
> High-level vision and strategy integration isn't really something that can
> be spread across a group of people as easily as writing an encyclopedia
> article, and so I ended up being a bottleneck for responding to comments. I
> had to prioritize what I deemed were issues that were shared by a large
> group, and those that seemed to be more individual concerns.
>
> Anyone who knows me knows that I'm not the "everything must be positive,
> fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one" type. If anything, I'm rather the
> opposite, as I think many Wikimedians are. If we had unlimited time, I'd
> probably continue to edit the draft for years, and I'm sure there would be
> other perfectionists to feed my obsession.
>
> However, others in my personal and professional circles have helped me
> realize in the past few weeks that even getting to this stage of the
> process is remarkable. As Wikimedians, we often focus on what's wrong and
> needs fixing. Sometimes, our negativity bias leads us to lose focus of the
> accomplishments. This can clash with the typical American culture, but I
> think somewhere in the middle is where those respective tunnel visions
> widen and meet.
>
> One thing I've learned from Ed Bland, my co-architect during this process,
> is that sometimes things can't be perfect. Sometimes, excellence means
> recognizing when something is "good enough" and getting out of the
> asymptotic editing and decision paralysis loop. It means accepting that a
> few things annoy us so that a larger group of people is excited and
> motivated to participate.
>
> From everything I've heard and read in the past two months, the last
> version of the direction is agreeable to a large part of individuals,
> groups, and organizations that have been involved in the process. Not
> everyone agrees with everything in the document, even within the
> Foundation, and even me. But enough people across the movement agree with
> enough of the document that we can all use it as a starting point for the
> next phase of discussions about roles, resources, and responsibilities.
>
> I do hope that many of you will consider endorsing the direction in a few
> weeks. While I won't claim to know everyone involved, I think I know you
> enough, Ziko and Fæ, from your work and long-time commitment in the
> movement, to venture that there is more in this document that you agree
> with than that you disagree with. I hope that the prospect of moving in a
> shared direction will outweigh the possible annoyances. And so I hope that
> we'll endorse the direction together, even if it's in our typically
> Wikimedian begrudging fashion.
>
>
> 2017-10-02 6:56 GMT-07:00 Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Hello Katherine,
> >
> > This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from
> being
> > a useful and appropriate document for our future.
> >
> > The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed in the
> > rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based on
> the
> > feedback you offered."
> >
> > You have announced that organizations and individuals are invited to
> > endorse the draft. Will there also be a possibility to reject the draft?
> I
> > remember the 2011 image filter referendum, when the WMF asked the
> community
> > how important it finds the filter, but not giving the option to be
> against
> > it.
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_referendum/en&
> > uselang=en
> > <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_referendum/en&uselang=en
> >
> >
> > The drafts tries to enforce a new definition of the "community": "from
> > editors to donors, to organizers, and beyond". I thought that "community"
> > were people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a regular basis
> > as volunteers.
> >
> > I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if in
> future
> > more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact abolishing
> the
> > community.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Ziko van Dijk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and
> > > including your most recent input into the lastest version of the
> movement
> > > strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]
> > >
> > > We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October 1.
> > > Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and groups to
> > > endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my greatest
> > > thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many of you
> > have
> > > made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a shared
> > strategic
> > > direction.
> > >
> > > In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will
> involve
> > > developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we have
> built
> > > together. I do not have many more details to share right now, but will
> of
> > > course offer an update as they become available.
> > >
> > > *Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback on
> the
> > > draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based on the
> > > feedback you offered.
> > >
> > > *Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
> > > organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will be
> > invited
> > > to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we are
> > > building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the process
> > and
> > > timeline.
> > >
> > > *Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the
> > volunteers,
> > > staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible! As we
> > > transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded and new
> > ones
> > > created in their place. We'll keep you updated.
> > >
> > > *Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join Wikimedians from
> > > Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth annual
> > Wikimedia
> > > CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla led a
> > > series of discussions on the direction, including what it means for
> > CEE.[3]
> > > Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the attendees for
> > such
> > > a wonderful event!
> > >
> > > *In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you appreciate
> > these
> > > updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm talking
> > to
> > > the Communications department about keeping them going once the
> strategic
> > > planning process concludes, with a focus on more general updates. Keep
> > the
> > > feedback coming.
> > >
> > > Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its incredible and
> > > often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many within the
> > > Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have been
> > > affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been in
> touch
> > > with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any support
> we
> > > can.
> > >
> > > Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation is in
> > the
> > > process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower. We
> invite
> > > you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]
> > >
> > > We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process, and I am
> > > incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the strategy.
> Thank
> > > you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process. We have
> > > more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved already.
> > >
> > > Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),
> > >
> > > Katherine
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/
> > 2017/Direction
> > > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017
> > > [3]
> > > <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%
> > > E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
> > > [4]
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> > > September/088654.html
> > > [5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_headquarters
> > >
> > > --
> > > Katherine Maher
> > > Executive Director
> > >
> > > *We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*
> > >
> > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > 1 Montgomery Street, Suite 1600
> > > San Francisco, CA 94104
> > >
> > > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
> > > +1 (415) 712 4873
> > > [hidden email]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Erik Moeller-3
In reply to this post by Andreas Kolbe-2
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:10 AM, Andreas Kolbe <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Reading between the lines of statements like "Knowledge as a service",
> "essential infrastructure", "tools for allies and partners to organize and
> exchange free knowledge beyond Wikimedia", etc., my sense is that the
> document, without saying so explicitly, is very much written from the
> perspective that the likes of Google, Amazon, Apple, Bing (and anyone else
> developing digital assistants and other types of knowledge delivery
> platforms) should be viewed as key partners in the exchange of free
> knowledge, and served accordingly, through the development of interfaces
> that enable them to deliver Wikimedia content to the end user.
>
> My problem with that is that those are all for-profit companies, while the
> volunteers that contribute the free content on which these companies'
> profit-making services are based are not only unpaid, but actually incur
> expenses in contributing (mostly related to source access).

This seems to be a somewhat prejudiced "reading between the lines".
For-profits like Google, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft will extract as much
information as they can from as many sources as they can giving back
as little as they have to (which includes some activity designed to
maintain and increase goodwill, which itself has value), _regardless
of what Wikimedia does or doesn't do_. They have built knowledge
graphs without the use of Wikidata and without significant assistance
from WMF, incorporating information from countless proprietary sources
alongside free sources.

The power of an open, nonprofit approach to "knowledge as a service"
is precisely to democratize access to knowledge graph information: to
make it available to nonprofits, public institutions, communities,
individuals. This includes projects like the "Structured Data for
Wikimedia Commons" effort, which is a potential game-changer for
institutions like galleries, libraries, archives and museums.

Nor is such an approach inherently monopolistic: quite the opposite.
Wikidata is well-suited for a certain class of data-related problems
but not so much for others. Everything around Wikidata is evolving in
the direction of federation: federated queries across multiple open
datasets, federated installations of the Wikibase software, and so on.
If anything, it seems likely that a greater emphasis on "knowledge as
a service" will unavoidably decentralize influence and control, and
bring knowledge from other knowledge providers into the Wikimedia
context.

I had no involvement with this document and don't know what focusing
on "knowledge of a service" really will mean in practice. But if it
means things like improving Wikidata, building better APIs and content
formats, building better Labs^WCloud infrastructure, then the crucial
point is not that companies may benefit from such work, but that
_everybody else does, too_. And that is what distinguishes it from the
prevailing extract-and-monetize paradigm. For-profits exploting free
knowledge projects for commercial gain? That's the _current state_. To
change it, we have to make it easier to replicate what they are doing:
through open data, open APIs, open code.

Erik

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Guillaume Paumier-3
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Dear Ziko,

For context, I want to preface this by saying that I am speaking as a
former member of the strategy team, not as a Foundation employee. My
perspective was always that the team leading the movement strategy process
was working in service of the movement, not of the Foundation.

I hear that you are unsatisfied with some of the content of the document. I
hear that you disagree with particular elements like advocacy or new forms
of knowledge. I hear that you question the broad definition of "community",
which in your opinion should only include active Wikipedians.

I don't agree with all your points, but I understand them and I relate to
some.

I appreciate that you hold very strong opinions on some of those topics. I
would like you to see that other people in the movement can hold
dramatically different opinions that are just as valid.

Many people (in and outside the movement) pushed for Wikimedia
organizations to become much more active politically. Others expressed
concerns about becoming too political. In the end, the document gave a nod
to political advocacy but didn't make it the number-one priority of the
movement. There was a balance to strike, and I would like you to understand
that need.

I would also like you to understand that your approach and language may
alienate other members of our communities. When you call oral traditions
one of "the most terrible things from the paper" and disparage experts who
shared their opinion with us, your words unwittingly cast away communities
who have been historically left out, and you contribute to perpetuating
their structural oppression.

You argue that the notions of new forms of knowledge, oral traditions, and
Western bias were pushed by experts and by the Foundation, and didn't come
from the communities. And yet, at the 2017 Wikimedia conference in Berlin,
whose participants were coming from Wikimedia communities, the
most-voted-for statement at the end of the conference was this one:

*Knowledge is global: we must move beyond western written knowledge,
towards multiple and diverse forms of knowledge (including oral and
visual), from multiple and diverse peoples and perspectives, to truly
achieve the sum of all human knowledge.*
[
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2017/Documentation/Movement_Strategy_track/Day_3
]

What I am trying to convey is that for each of your concerns, there are
people within our movement and communities who have fought, like you are
fighting now, for those elements to be part of the movement's strategic
direction. And they have outweighed you. On some other topics, your opinion
is the one that prevailed. On many topics, we all agreed. It is now time to
accept the outcome and focus on what motivates us to contribute
individually to parts of the strategic direction, so that we can advance as
a movement.




2017-10-03 13:38 GMT-07:00 Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]>:

> Hello Guillaume,
>
> Thank you for sharing your point of view. But I cannot agree with you that
> this is a case of „negativity bias“ or „tunnel visions“ or „begrudging
> fashion“. I have fundamental concerns about the redefinition of the
> community and the widening of the movement‘s purpose, and I fully join
> Frank Schulenburg‘s statement that the draft paper says hardly anything to
> the average Wikipedian.
>
> As I do not know your prerogatives given from above, I cannot judge about
> your personal role. I don’t want to and I have nothing against you
> personally, on the contrary. Indeed, you took some of the most terrible
> things from the paper - such as the „oral traditions“. But they still
> appear as a residue in the „Appendix“, and how could it happen in the first
> place that they were ever pushed forward by the WMF? Challenge 2 called our
> work with reputable sources a „Western bias“. Where did that come from? Not
> from the communities (my definition), but from „experts“ such as a man who
> runs a company for storytelling and claims that he can trace his ancestry
> to the middle ages via „oral traditions“!
>
> As Andreas pointed out, there is much more in the Appendix such as the
> cooperations with Youtube and Google, „new incentives“ etc. and also the
> opinion that „Wikimedia“ should become more „political“. Certainly, I was
> against SOPA and like to see the WMF fight copyright problems. But what I
> saw at Wikimania made me wonder about the common ground. The WMF is
> partnering up with the ACLU that endorses the freedom of speech for the
> KuKluxKlan. The WMF is already approaching EU laws from an American point
> of view and dismisses the possibility that Europeans may think differently.
>
> If we keep all those things in the draft paper and in the Appendix - the
> WMF will have carte blanche to do literally anything it likes, being a
> social movement fighting whatever technical, political or social inequity.
> But well, the WMF will claim that that is what the „community“ wants -
> given the new definition of community, that would even be true. :-(
>
> Certainly, people can set up a page on Meta to express their concerns
> about such an unready draft paper. Is this an announcement that
> endorsements of the draft paper will be welcomed at the main gate, while
> the concerns will have to use the backyard entrance?
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Guillaume Paumier <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mo. 2. Okt. 2017 um
> 22:36:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> If you feel a strong urge to reject the text, there is obviously nothing
>> preventing anyone from creating a Meta-Wiki page to that purpose. However,
>> I would first ask to reflect on the process, its outcome, and where it's
>> going.
>>
>> Strategy is complicated. Building a movement strategy even more so [
>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/05/19/wikimedia-strategy-
>> 2030-discussions/
>> ]. One person's serious issue may be another person's slight preference.
>> People's serious issues may be at odds with each other (and I can tell you
>> from experience that they are indeed). Balancing all those priorities is a
>> difficult exercise, and I certainly don't claim to have done it perfectly.
>> But I do think the outcome we've arrived at represents the shared vision
>> of
>> a large part of the movement.
>>
>> As I was writing, rewriting and editing the text of the direction, I did
>> consider everything that was shared on the talk page, and the last version
>> is indeed based on those comments, as well as those shared during multiple
>> Wikimania sessions, individual chats, comments from the Drafting group,
>> from affiliates, from staff, and so on.
>>
>> While I did consider all of those, I didn't respond to every single
>> comment, and there is little I can do about that except apologize and
>> endeavor to do better. I should have set clearer expectations that not
>> every comment would be integrated in the text. I ran into an issue all too
>> familiar in the Wikiverse where one person had to integrate comments and
>> feedback from a large group of people at the same time.
>>
>> High-level vision and strategy integration isn't really something that can
>> be spread across a group of people as easily as writing an encyclopedia
>> article, and so I ended up being a bottleneck for responding to comments.
>> I
>> had to prioritize what I deemed were issues that were shared by a large
>> group, and those that seemed to be more individual concerns.
>>
>> Anyone who knows me knows that I'm not the "everything must be positive,
>> fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one" type. If anything, I'm rather the
>> opposite, as I think many Wikimedians are. If we had unlimited time, I'd
>> probably continue to edit the draft for years, and I'm sure there would be
>> other perfectionists to feed my obsession.
>>
>> However, others in my personal and professional circles have helped me
>> realize in the past few weeks that even getting to this stage of the
>> process is remarkable. As Wikimedians, we often focus on what's wrong and
>> needs fixing. Sometimes, our negativity bias leads us to lose focus of the
>> accomplishments. This can clash with the typical American culture, but I
>> think somewhere in the middle is where those respective tunnel visions
>> widen and meet.
>>
>> One thing I've learned from Ed Bland, my co-architect during this process,
>> is that sometimes things can't be perfect. Sometimes, excellence means
>> recognizing when something is "good enough" and getting out of the
>> asymptotic editing and decision paralysis loop. It means accepting that a
>> few things annoy us so that a larger group of people is excited and
>> motivated to participate.
>>
>> From everything I've heard and read in the past two months, the last
>> version of the direction is agreeable to a large part of individuals,
>> groups, and organizations that have been involved in the process. Not
>> everyone agrees with everything in the document, even within the
>> Foundation, and even me. But enough people across the movement agree with
>> enough of the document that we can all use it as a starting point for the
>> next phase of discussions about roles, resources, and responsibilities.
>>
>> I do hope that many of you will consider endorsing the direction in a few
>> weeks. While I won't claim to know everyone involved, I think I know you
>> enough, Ziko and Fæ, from your work and long-time commitment in the
>> movement, to venture that there is more in this document that you agree
>> with than that you disagree with. I hope that the prospect of moving in a
>> shared direction will outweigh the possible annoyances. And so I hope that
>> we'll endorse the direction together, even if it's in our typically
>> Wikimedian begrudging fashion.
>>
>>
>> 2017-10-02 6:56 GMT-07:00 Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> > Hello Katherine,
>> >
>> > This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from
>> being
>> > a useful and appropriate document for our future.
>> >
>> > The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed in
>> the
>> > rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based on
>> the
>> > feedback you offered."
>> >
>> > You have announced that organizations and individuals are invited to
>> > endorse the draft. Will there also be a possibility to reject the
>> draft? I
>> > remember the 2011 image filter referendum, when the WMF asked the
>> community
>> > how important it finds the filter, but not giving the option to be
>> against
>> > it.
>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_
>> referendum/en&
>> > uselang=en
>> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_
>> referendum/en&uselang=en>
>>
>> >
>> > The drafts tries to enforce a new definition of the "community": "from
>> > editors to donors, to organizers, and beyond". I thought that
>> "community"
>> > were people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a regular
>> basis
>> > as volunteers.
>> >
>> > I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if in
>> future
>> > more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact abolishing
>> the
>> > community.
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> > Ziko van Dijk
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <[hidden email]>:
>> >
>> > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and
>> > > including your most recent input into the lastest version of the
>> movement
>> > > strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]
>> > >
>> > > We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October 1.
>> > > Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and groups to
>> > > endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my
>> greatest
>> > > thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many of you
>> > have
>> > > made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a shared
>> > strategic
>> > > direction.
>> > >
>> > > In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will
>> involve
>> > > developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we have
>> built
>> > > together. I do not have many more details to share right now, but
>> will of
>> > > course offer an update as they become available.
>> > >
>> > > *Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback on
>> the
>> > > draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based on
>> the
>> > > feedback you offered.
>> > >
>> > > *Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
>> > > organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will be
>> > invited
>> > > to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we are
>> > > building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the process
>> > and
>> > > timeline.
>> > >
>> > > *Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the
>> > volunteers,
>> > > staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible! As we
>> > > transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded and new
>> > ones
>> > > created in their place. We'll keep you updated.
>> > >
>> > > *Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join Wikimedians from
>> > > Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth annual
>> > Wikimedia
>> > > CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla led a
>> > > series of discussions on the direction, including what it means for
>> > CEE.[3]
>> > > Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the attendees for
>> > such
>> > > a wonderful event!
>> > >
>> > > *In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you appreciate
>> > these
>> > > updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm
>> talking
>> > to
>> > > the Communications department about keeping them going once the
>> strategic
>> > > planning process concludes, with a focus on more general updates. Keep
>> > the
>> > > feedback coming.
>> > >
>> > > Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its incredible and
>> > > often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many within the
>> > > Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have been
>> > > affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been in
>> touch
>> > > with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any support
>> we
>> > > can.
>> > >
>> > > Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation is in
>> > the
>> > > process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower. We
>> invite
>> > > you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]
>> > >
>> > > We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process, and I am
>> > > incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the strategy.
>> Thank
>> > > you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process. We
>> have
>> > > more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved already.
>> > >
>> > > Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),
>> > >
>> > > Katherine
>> > >
>> > > [1]
>> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/
>> > 2017/Direction
>> > > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017
>> > > [3]
>> > > <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%
>> > > E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
>> > > [4]
>> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
>> > > September/088654.html
>> > > [5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
>> headquarters
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Katherine Maher
>> > > Executive Director
>> > >
>> > > *We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*
>> > >
>> > > Wikimedia Foundation
>> > > 1 Montgomery Street, Suite 1600
>> > > San Francisco, CA 94104
>> > >
>> > > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635 <(415)%20839-6885>
>> > > +1 (415) 712 4873 <(415)%20712-4873>
>> > > [hidden email]
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Ziko van Dijk-3
Dear Guillaume,

Thank you for making your point of view clear, I appreciate that. Please
allow me to make two points clear myself.

(A) It is not my opinion that only active Wikipedians are „community“.
There are other Wikimedia wikis, and also activities, that have a community
character. I do reject the idea to open the term community to literally
everybody/anybody „and beyond“. It would be necessary that the draft paper,
instead, explains what should be understood by „movement“ or „community“ in
order to avoid certain ambiguities.

(B) I also do not deny that there is an overweight of content that is
related to Western countries and culture. On (English) Wikipedia, the
average Dutch village is certainly much better described than a larger city
in, for example, Ethiopia or Guatemala. I am always supportive of
initiatives that want to do something about this lack of balance. (And I
suppose that most people on the Berlin conference meant that, too).

But the wording in the further strategy process was much different. The
concept of „reliable sources“ was called a Western bias, while „oral
traditions“ should be considered to be reliable as well.

I know that writing the history of many countries is difficult because of
the lack of written material. That makes it also difficult to write a more
complete history of, for example, Celtic and Germanic tribes in ancient
times.

But „oral traditions“ are just not reliable in the way scholarly literature
is. Historians provide us with numerous examples how people fail in
remembering what they heard a long time ago, or even recently. The human
brain is simply not made by nature to be a historian or a data storage;
human memory is fragile and changes. Also, additionally some people have a
malicious intent when giving their testimony to a historian or a well
meaning platform for „oral history“. A historian‘s work is to collect
several testimonies, compare them to each other (= the transcripts of their
interviews) and corroborate them with other material - and finally write
their own account of their research.

Imagine, I would claim that I am a descendant of Charlemagne (source: my
father and grandfather told me so). Or that national socialism had a
positive impact on Germany and many other lucky countries in Europe
(source: what someone told me at family meetings). - Wikipedia works
because we use „secondary sources“, scholarly literature. That is where
(some major aspects of) the quality comes from. That is why people like
Wikipedia and donate for it.

It would be necessary to make Wikipedia the great (even greater)
encyclopedia it could be. With an integration of Wikidata and Commons, and
good interfaces. With the focus on readability, with a well thought through
concept of providing content for the general public, for special groups and
for scholars. With an understanding of what we do and what we explicitly
don’t do, with whom we can partner up (and where are the limits). This more
cautious vision makes me not very enthusiast, to say the least, about
widening the scope to a degree that we loose recognizability.

Kind regards,
Ziko




o




Guillaume Paumier <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi. 4. Okt. 2017 um
04:37:

> Dear Ziko,
>
> For context, I want to preface this by saying that I am speaking as a
> former member of the strategy team, not as a Foundation employee. My
> perspective was always that the team leading the movement strategy process
> was working in service of the movement, not of the Foundation.
>
> I hear that you are unsatisfied with some of the content of the document. I
> hear that you disagree with particular elements like advocacy or new forms
> of knowledge. I hear that you question the broad definition of "community",
> which in your opinion should only include active Wikipedians.
>
> I don't agree with all your points, but I understand them and I relate to
> some.
>
> I appreciate that you hold very strong opinions on some of those topics. I
> would like you to see that other people in the movement can hold
> dramatically different opinions that are just as valid.
>
> Many people (in and outside the movement) pushed for Wikimedia
> organizations to become much more active politically. Others expressed
> concerns about becoming too political. In the end, the document gave a nod
> to political advocacy but didn't make it the number-one priority of the
> movement. There was a balance to strike, and I would like you to understand
> that need.
>
> I would also like you to understand that your approach and language may
> alienate other members of our communities. When you call oral traditions
> one of "the most terrible things from the paper" and disparage experts who
> shared their opinion with us, your words unwittingly cast away communities
> who have been historically left out, and you contribute to perpetuating
> their structural oppression.
>
> You argue that the notions of new forms of knowledge, oral traditions, and
> Western bias were pushed by experts and by the Foundation, and didn't come
> from the communities. And yet, at the 2017 Wikimedia conference in Berlin,
> whose participants were coming from Wikimedia communities, the
> most-voted-for statement at the end of the conference was this one:
>
> *Knowledge is global: we must move beyond western written knowledge,
> towards multiple and diverse forms of knowledge (including oral and
> visual), from multiple and diverse peoples and perspectives, to truly
> achieve the sum of all human knowledge.*
> [
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2017/Documentation/Movement_Strategy_track/Day_3
> ]
>
> What I am trying to convey is that for each of your concerns, there are
> people within our movement and communities who have fought, like you are
> fighting now, for those elements to be part of the movement's strategic
> direction. And they have outweighed you. On some other topics, your opinion
> is the one that prevailed. On many topics, we all agreed. It is now time to
> accept the outcome and focus on what motivates us to contribute
> individually to parts of the strategic direction, so that we can advance as
> a movement.
>
>
>
>
> 2017-10-03 13:38 GMT-07:00 Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Hello Guillaume,
> >
> > Thank you for sharing your point of view. But I cannot agree with you
> that
> > this is a case of „negativity bias“ or „tunnel visions“ or „begrudging
> > fashion“. I have fundamental concerns about the redefinition of the
> > community and the widening of the movement‘s purpose, and I fully join
> > Frank Schulenburg‘s statement that the draft paper says hardly anything
> to
> > the average Wikipedian.
> >
> > As I do not know your prerogatives given from above, I cannot judge about
> > your personal role. I don’t want to and I have nothing against you
> > personally, on the contrary. Indeed, you took some of the most terrible
> > things from the paper - such as the „oral traditions“. But they still
> > appear as a residue in the „Appendix“, and how could it happen in the
> first
> > place that they were ever pushed forward by the WMF? Challenge 2 called
> our
> > work with reputable sources a „Western bias“. Where did that come from?
> Not
> > from the communities (my definition), but from „experts“ such as a man
> who
> > runs a company for storytelling and claims that he can trace his ancestry
> > to the middle ages via „oral traditions“!
> >
> > As Andreas pointed out, there is much more in the Appendix such as the
> > cooperations with Youtube and Google, „new incentives“ etc. and also the
> > opinion that „Wikimedia“ should become more „political“. Certainly, I was
> > against SOPA and like to see the WMF fight copyright problems. But what I
> > saw at Wikimania made me wonder about the common ground. The WMF is
> > partnering up with the ACLU that endorses the freedom of speech for the
> > KuKluxKlan. The WMF is already approaching EU laws from an American point
> > of view and dismisses the possibility that Europeans may think
> differently.
> >
> > If we keep all those things in the draft paper and in the Appendix - the
> > WMF will have carte blanche to do literally anything it likes, being a
> > social movement fighting whatever technical, political or social
> inequity.
> > But well, the WMF will claim that that is what the „community“ wants -
> > given the new definition of community, that would even be true. :-(
> >
> > Certainly, people can set up a page on Meta to express their concerns
> > about such an unready draft paper. Is this an announcement that
> > endorsements of the draft paper will be welcomed at the main gate, while
> > the concerns will have to use the backyard entrance?
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Ziko
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Guillaume Paumier <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mo. 2. Okt. 2017
> um
> > 22:36:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> If you feel a strong urge to reject the text, there is obviously nothing
> >> preventing anyone from creating a Meta-Wiki page to that purpose.
> However,
> >> I would first ask to reflect on the process, its outcome, and where it's
> >> going.
> >>
> >> Strategy is complicated. Building a movement strategy even more so [
> >> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/05/19/wikimedia-strategy-
> >> 2030-discussions/
> >> ]. One person's serious issue may be another person's slight preference.
> >> People's serious issues may be at odds with each other (and I can tell
> you
> >> from experience that they are indeed). Balancing all those priorities
> is a
> >> difficult exercise, and I certainly don't claim to have done it
> perfectly.
> >> But I do think the outcome we've arrived at represents the shared vision
> >> of
> >> a large part of the movement.
> >>
> >> As I was writing, rewriting and editing the text of the direction, I did
> >> consider everything that was shared on the talk page, and the last
> version
> >> is indeed based on those comments, as well as those shared during
> multiple
> >> Wikimania sessions, individual chats, comments from the Drafting group,
> >> from affiliates, from staff, and so on.
> >>
> >> While I did consider all of those, I didn't respond to every single
> >> comment, and there is little I can do about that except apologize and
> >> endeavor to do better. I should have set clearer expectations that not
> >> every comment would be integrated in the text. I ran into an issue all
> too
> >> familiar in the Wikiverse where one person had to integrate comments and
> >> feedback from a large group of people at the same time.
> >>
> >> High-level vision and strategy integration isn't really something that
> can
> >> be spread across a group of people as easily as writing an encyclopedia
> >> article, and so I ended up being a bottleneck for responding to
> comments.
> >> I
> >> had to prioritize what I deemed were issues that were shared by a large
> >> group, and those that seemed to be more individual concerns.
> >>
> >> Anyone who knows me knows that I'm not the "everything must be positive,
> >> fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one" type. If anything, I'm rather the
> >> opposite, as I think many Wikimedians are. If we had unlimited time, I'd
> >> probably continue to edit the draft for years, and I'm sure there would
> be
> >> other perfectionists to feed my obsession.
> >>
> >> However, others in my personal and professional circles have helped me
> >> realize in the past few weeks that even getting to this stage of the
> >> process is remarkable. As Wikimedians, we often focus on what's wrong
> and
> >> needs fixing. Sometimes, our negativity bias leads us to lose focus of
> the
> >> accomplishments. This can clash with the typical American culture, but I
> >> think somewhere in the middle is where those respective tunnel visions
> >> widen and meet.
> >>
> >> One thing I've learned from Ed Bland, my co-architect during this
> process,
> >> is that sometimes things can't be perfect. Sometimes, excellence means
> >> recognizing when something is "good enough" and getting out of the
> >> asymptotic editing and decision paralysis loop. It means accepting that
> a
> >> few things annoy us so that a larger group of people is excited and
> >> motivated to participate.
> >>
> >> From everything I've heard and read in the past two months, the last
> >> version of the direction is agreeable to a large part of individuals,
> >> groups, and organizations that have been involved in the process. Not
> >> everyone agrees with everything in the document, even within the
> >> Foundation, and even me. But enough people across the movement agree
> with
> >> enough of the document that we can all use it as a starting point for
> the
> >> next phase of discussions about roles, resources, and responsibilities.
> >>
> >> I do hope that many of you will consider endorsing the direction in a
> few
> >> weeks. While I won't claim to know everyone involved, I think I know you
> >> enough, Ziko and Fæ, from your work and long-time commitment in the
> >> movement, to venture that there is more in this document that you agree
> >> with than that you disagree with. I hope that the prospect of moving in
> a
> >> shared direction will outweigh the possible annoyances. And so I hope
> that
> >> we'll endorse the direction together, even if it's in our typically
> >> Wikimedian begrudging fashion.
> >>
> >>
> >> 2017-10-02 6:56 GMT-07:00 Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]>:
> >>
> >> > Hello Katherine,
> >> >
> >> > This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from
> >> being
> >> > a useful and appropriate document for our future.
> >> >
> >> > The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed in
> >> the
> >> > rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based
> on
> >> the
> >> > feedback you offered."
> >> >
> >> > You have announced that organizations and individuals are invited to
> >> > endorse the draft. Will there also be a possibility to reject the
> >> draft? I
> >> > remember the 2011 image filter referendum, when the WMF asked the
> >> community
> >> > how important it finds the filter, but not giving the option to be
> >> against
> >> > it.
> >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_
> >> referendum/en&
> >> > uselang=en
> >> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_
> >> referendum/en&uselang=en>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > The drafts tries to enforce a new definition of the "community": "from
> >> > editors to donors, to organizers, and beyond". I thought that
> >> "community"
> >> > were people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a regular
> >> basis
> >> > as volunteers.
> >> >
> >> > I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if in
> >> future
> >> > more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact abolishing
> >> the
> >> > community.
> >> >
> >> > Kind regards,
> >> > Ziko van Dijk
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <[hidden email]>:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi all,
> >> > >
> >> > > Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing, and
> >> > > including your most recent input into the lastest version of the
> >> movement
> >> > > strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]
> >> > >
> >> > > We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October 1.
> >> > > Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and groups to
> >> > > endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my
> >> greatest
> >> > > thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many of
> you
> >> > have
> >> > > made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a shared
> >> > strategic
> >> > > direction.
> >> > >
> >> > > In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will
> >> involve
> >> > > developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we have
> >> built
> >> > > together. I do not have many more details to share right now, but
> >> will of
> >> > > course offer an update as they become available.
> >> > >
> >> > > *Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback
> on
> >> the
> >> > > draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based on
> >> the
> >> > > feedback you offered.
> >> > >
> >> > > *Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
> >> > > organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will be
> >> > invited
> >> > > to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we are
> >> > > building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the
> process
> >> > and
> >> > > timeline.
> >> > >
> >> > > *Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the
> >> > volunteers,
> >> > > staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible! As
> we
> >> > > transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded and
> new
> >> > ones
> >> > > created in their place. We'll keep you updated.
> >> > >
> >> > > *Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join Wikimedians
> from
> >> > > Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth annual
> >> > Wikimedia
> >> > > CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla
> led a
> >> > > series of discussions on the direction, including what it means for
> >> > CEE.[3]
> >> > > Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the attendees
> for
> >> > such
> >> > > a wonderful event!
> >> > >
> >> > > *In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you appreciate
> >> > these
> >> > > updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm
> >> talking
> >> > to
> >> > > the Communications department about keeping them going once the
> >> strategic
> >> > > planning process concludes, with a focus on more general updates.
> Keep
> >> > the
> >> > > feedback coming.
> >> > >
> >> > > Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its incredible
> and
> >> > > often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many within
> the
> >> > > Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have been
> >> > > affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been in
> >> touch
> >> > > with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any
> support
> >> we
> >> > > can.
> >> > >
> >> > > Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation is
> in
> >> > the
> >> > > process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower. We
> >> invite
> >> > > you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]
> >> > >
> >> > > We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process, and I
> am
> >> > > incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the strategy.
> >> Thank
> >> > > you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process. We
> >> have
> >> > > more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved
> already.
> >> > >
> >> > > Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),
> >> > >
> >> > > Katherine
> >> > >
> >> > > [1]
> >> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/
> >> > 2017/Direction
> >> > > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017
> >> > > [3]
> >> > > <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%
> >> > > E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
> >> > > [4]
> >> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> >> > > September/088654.html
> >> > > [5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> >> headquarters
> >> > >
> >> > > --
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> >> > > Executive Director
> >> > >
> >> > > *We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*
> >> > >
> >> > > Wikimedia Foundation
> >> > > 1 Montgomery Street, Suite 1600
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Yaroslav Blanter
I fully support Ziko on this point. Making oral tradidions welcome, in
particular, making them welcome at Wikipedia, will open the door to all
king of fringe POV theories. We were able to distinguish ourselves exactly
because these fringe theories had no place on Wikipedia. Allowing them
meaning shoot our own feet.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Dear Guillaume,
>
> Thank you for making your point of view clear, I appreciate that. Please
> allow me to make two points clear myself.
>
> (A) It is not my opinion that only active Wikipedians are „community“.
> There are other Wikimedia wikis, and also activities, that have a community
> character. I do reject the idea to open the term community to literally
> everybody/anybody „and beyond“. It would be necessary that the draft paper,
> instead, explains what should be understood by „movement“ or „community“ in
> order to avoid certain ambiguities.
>
> (B) I also do not deny that there is an overweight of content that is
> related to Western countries and culture. On (English) Wikipedia, the
> average Dutch village is certainly much better described than a larger city
> in, for example, Ethiopia or Guatemala. I am always supportive of
> initiatives that want to do something about this lack of balance. (And I
> suppose that most people on the Berlin conference meant that, too).
>
> But the wording in the further strategy process was much different. The
> concept of „reliable sources“ was called a Western bias, while „oral
> traditions“ should be considered to be reliable as well.
>
> I know that writing the history of many countries is difficult because of
> the lack of written material. That makes it also difficult to write a more
> complete history of, for example, Celtic and Germanic tribes in ancient
> times.
>
> But „oral traditions“ are just not reliable in the way scholarly literature
> is. Historians provide us with numerous examples how people fail in
> remembering what they heard a long time ago, or even recently. The human
> brain is simply not made by nature to be a historian or a data storage;
> human memory is fragile and changes. Also, additionally some people have a
> malicious intent when giving their testimony to a historian or a well
> meaning platform for „oral history“. A historian‘s work is to collect
> several testimonies, compare them to each other (= the transcripts of their
> interviews) and corroborate them with other material - and finally write
> their own account of their research.
>
> Imagine, I would claim that I am a descendant of Charlemagne (source: my
> father and grandfather told me so). Or that national socialism had a
> positive impact on Germany and many other lucky countries in Europe
> (source: what someone told me at family meetings). - Wikipedia works
> because we use „secondary sources“, scholarly literature. That is where
> (some major aspects of) the quality comes from. That is why people like
> Wikipedia and donate for it.
>
> It would be necessary to make Wikipedia the great (even greater)
> encyclopedia it could be. With an integration of Wikidata and Commons, and
> good interfaces. With the focus on readability, with a well thought through
> concept of providing content for the general public, for special groups and
> for scholars. With an understanding of what we do and what we explicitly
> don’t do, with whom we can partner up (and where are the limits). This more
> cautious vision makes me not very enthusiast, to say the least, about
> widening the scope to a degree that we loose recognizability.
>
> Kind regards,
> Ziko
>
>
>
>
> o
>
>
>
>
> Guillaume Paumier <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi. 4. Okt. 2017 um
> 04:37:
>
> > Dear Ziko,
> >
> > For context, I want to preface this by saying that I am speaking as a
> > former member of the strategy team, not as a Foundation employee. My
> > perspective was always that the team leading the movement strategy
> process
> > was working in service of the movement, not of the Foundation.
> >
> > I hear that you are unsatisfied with some of the content of the
> document. I
> > hear that you disagree with particular elements like advocacy or new
> forms
> > of knowledge. I hear that you question the broad definition of
> "community",
> > which in your opinion should only include active Wikipedians.
> >
> > I don't agree with all your points, but I understand them and I relate to
> > some.
> >
> > I appreciate that you hold very strong opinions on some of those topics.
> I
> > would like you to see that other people in the movement can hold
> > dramatically different opinions that are just as valid.
> >
> > Many people (in and outside the movement) pushed for Wikimedia
> > organizations to become much more active politically. Others expressed
> > concerns about becoming too political. In the end, the document gave a
> nod
> > to political advocacy but didn't make it the number-one priority of the
> > movement. There was a balance to strike, and I would like you to
> understand
> > that need.
> >
> > I would also like you to understand that your approach and language may
> > alienate other members of our communities. When you call oral traditions
> > one of "the most terrible things from the paper" and disparage experts
> who
> > shared their opinion with us, your words unwittingly cast away
> communities
> > who have been historically left out, and you contribute to perpetuating
> > their structural oppression.
> >
> > You argue that the notions of new forms of knowledge, oral traditions,
> and
> > Western bias were pushed by experts and by the Foundation, and didn't
> come
> > from the communities. And yet, at the 2017 Wikimedia conference in
> Berlin,
> > whose participants were coming from Wikimedia communities, the
> > most-voted-for statement at the end of the conference was this one:
> >
> > *Knowledge is global: we must move beyond western written knowledge,
> > towards multiple and diverse forms of knowledge (including oral and
> > visual), from multiple and diverse peoples and perspectives, to truly
> > achieve the sum of all human knowledge.*
> > [
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_
> 2017/Documentation/Movement_Strategy_track/Day_3
> > ]
> >
> > What I am trying to convey is that for each of your concerns, there are
> > people within our movement and communities who have fought, like you are
> > fighting now, for those elements to be part of the movement's strategic
> > direction. And they have outweighed you. On some other topics, your
> opinion
> > is the one that prevailed. On many topics, we all agreed. It is now time
> to
> > accept the outcome and focus on what motivates us to contribute
> > individually to parts of the strategic direction, so that we can advance
> as
> > a movement.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-10-03 13:38 GMT-07:00 Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Hello Guillaume,
> > >
> > > Thank you for sharing your point of view. But I cannot agree with you
> > that
> > > this is a case of „negativity bias“ or „tunnel visions“ or „begrudging
> > > fashion“. I have fundamental concerns about the redefinition of the
> > > community and the widening of the movement‘s purpose, and I fully join
> > > Frank Schulenburg‘s statement that the draft paper says hardly anything
> > to
> > > the average Wikipedian.
> > >
> > > As I do not know your prerogatives given from above, I cannot judge
> about
> > > your personal role. I don’t want to and I have nothing against you
> > > personally, on the contrary. Indeed, you took some of the most terrible
> > > things from the paper - such as the „oral traditions“. But they still
> > > appear as a residue in the „Appendix“, and how could it happen in the
> > first
> > > place that they were ever pushed forward by the WMF? Challenge 2 called
> > our
> > > work with reputable sources a „Western bias“. Where did that come from?
> > Not
> > > from the communities (my definition), but from „experts“ such as a man
> > who
> > > runs a company for storytelling and claims that he can trace his
> ancestry
> > > to the middle ages via „oral traditions“!
> > >
> > > As Andreas pointed out, there is much more in the Appendix such as the
> > > cooperations with Youtube and Google, „new incentives“ etc. and also
> the
> > > opinion that „Wikimedia“ should become more „political“. Certainly, I
> was
> > > against SOPA and like to see the WMF fight copyright problems. But
> what I
> > > saw at Wikimania made me wonder about the common ground. The WMF is
> > > partnering up with the ACLU that endorses the freedom of speech for the
> > > KuKluxKlan. The WMF is already approaching EU laws from an American
> point
> > > of view and dismisses the possibility that Europeans may think
> > differently.
> > >
> > > If we keep all those things in the draft paper and in the Appendix -
> the
> > > WMF will have carte blanche to do literally anything it likes, being a
> > > social movement fighting whatever technical, political or social
> > inequity.
> > > But well, the WMF will claim that that is what the „community“ wants -
> > > given the new definition of community, that would even be true. :-(
> > >
> > > Certainly, people can set up a page on Meta to express their concerns
> > > about such an unready draft paper. Is this an announcement that
> > > endorsements of the draft paper will be welcomed at the main gate,
> while
> > > the concerns will have to use the backyard entrance?
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > > Ziko
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Guillaume Paumier <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mo. 2. Okt. 2017
> > um
> > > 22:36:
> > >
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> If you feel a strong urge to reject the text, there is obviously
> nothing
> > >> preventing anyone from creating a Meta-Wiki page to that purpose.
> > However,
> > >> I would first ask to reflect on the process, its outcome, and where
> it's
> > >> going.
> > >>
> > >> Strategy is complicated. Building a movement strategy even more so [
> > >> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/05/19/wikimedia-strategy-
> > >> 2030-discussions/
> > >> ]. One person's serious issue may be another person's slight
> preference.
> > >> People's serious issues may be at odds with each other (and I can tell
> > you
> > >> from experience that they are indeed). Balancing all those priorities
> > is a
> > >> difficult exercise, and I certainly don't claim to have done it
> > perfectly.
> > >> But I do think the outcome we've arrived at represents the shared
> vision
> > >> of
> > >> a large part of the movement.
> > >>
> > >> As I was writing, rewriting and editing the text of the direction, I
> did
> > >> consider everything that was shared on the talk page, and the last
> > version
> > >> is indeed based on those comments, as well as those shared during
> > multiple
> > >> Wikimania sessions, individual chats, comments from the Drafting
> group,
> > >> from affiliates, from staff, and so on.
> > >>
> > >> While I did consider all of those, I didn't respond to every single
> > >> comment, and there is little I can do about that except apologize and
> > >> endeavor to do better. I should have set clearer expectations that not
> > >> every comment would be integrated in the text. I ran into an issue all
> > too
> > >> familiar in the Wikiverse where one person had to integrate comments
> and
> > >> feedback from a large group of people at the same time.
> > >>
> > >> High-level vision and strategy integration isn't really something that
> > can
> > >> be spread across a group of people as easily as writing an
> encyclopedia
> > >> article, and so I ended up being a bottleneck for responding to
> > comments.
> > >> I
> > >> had to prioritize what I deemed were issues that were shared by a
> large
> > >> group, and those that seemed to be more individual concerns.
> > >>
> > >> Anyone who knows me knows that I'm not the "everything must be
> positive,
> > >> fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one" type. If anything, I'm rather the
> > >> opposite, as I think many Wikimedians are. If we had unlimited time,
> I'd
> > >> probably continue to edit the draft for years, and I'm sure there
> would
> > be
> > >> other perfectionists to feed my obsession.
> > >>
> > >> However, others in my personal and professional circles have helped me
> > >> realize in the past few weeks that even getting to this stage of the
> > >> process is remarkable. As Wikimedians, we often focus on what's wrong
> > and
> > >> needs fixing. Sometimes, our negativity bias leads us to lose focus of
> > the
> > >> accomplishments. This can clash with the typical American culture,
> but I
> > >> think somewhere in the middle is where those respective tunnel visions
> > >> widen and meet.
> > >>
> > >> One thing I've learned from Ed Bland, my co-architect during this
> > process,
> > >> is that sometimes things can't be perfect. Sometimes, excellence means
> > >> recognizing when something is "good enough" and getting out of the
> > >> asymptotic editing and decision paralysis loop. It means accepting
> that
> > a
> > >> few things annoy us so that a larger group of people is excited and
> > >> motivated to participate.
> > >>
> > >> From everything I've heard and read in the past two months, the last
> > >> version of the direction is agreeable to a large part of individuals,
> > >> groups, and organizations that have been involved in the process. Not
> > >> everyone agrees with everything in the document, even within the
> > >> Foundation, and even me. But enough people across the movement agree
> > with
> > >> enough of the document that we can all use it as a starting point for
> > the
> > >> next phase of discussions about roles, resources, and
> responsibilities.
> > >>
> > >> I do hope that many of you will consider endorsing the direction in a
> > few
> > >> weeks. While I won't claim to know everyone involved, I think I know
> you
> > >> enough, Ziko and Fæ, from your work and long-time commitment in the
> > >> movement, to venture that there is more in this document that you
> agree
> > >> with than that you disagree with. I hope that the prospect of moving
> in
> > a
> > >> shared direction will outweigh the possible annoyances. And so I hope
> > that
> > >> we'll endorse the direction together, even if it's in our typically
> > >> Wikimedian begrudging fashion.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2017-10-02 6:56 GMT-07:00 Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]>:
> > >>
> > >> > Hello Katherine,
> > >> >
> > >> > This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away from
> > >> being
> > >> > a useful and appropriate document for our future.
> > >> >
> > >> > The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed
> in
> > >> the
> > >> > rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is based
> > on
> > >> the
> > >> > feedback you offered."
> > >> >
> > >> > You have announced that organizations and individuals are invited to
> > >> > endorse the draft. Will there also be a possibility to reject the
> > >> draft? I
> > >> > remember the 2011 image filter referendum, when the WMF asked the
> > >> community
> > >> > how important it finds the filter, but not giving the option to be
> > >> against
> > >> > it.
> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_
> > >> referendum/en&
> > >> > uselang=en
> > >> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_
> > >> referendum/en&uselang=en>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > The drafts tries to enforce a new definition of the "community":
> "from
> > >> > editors to donors, to organizers, and beyond". I thought that
> > >> "community"
> > >> > were people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a regular
> > >> basis
> > >> > as volunteers.
> > >> >
> > >> > I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if in
> > >> future
> > >> > more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact
> abolishing
> > >> the
> > >> > community.
> > >> >
> > >> > Kind regards,
> > >> > Ziko van Dijk
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <[hidden email]>:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi all,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing,
> and
> > >> > > including your most recent input into the lastest version of the
> > >> movement
> > >> > > strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]
> > >> > >
> > >> > > We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow, October
> 1.
> > >> > > Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and groups
> to
> > >> > > endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my
> > >> greatest
> > >> > > thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many of
> > you
> > >> > have
> > >> > > made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a shared
> > >> > strategic
> > >> > > direction.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will
> > >> involve
> > >> > > developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we have
> > >> built
> > >> > > together. I do not have many more details to share right now, but
> > >> will of
> > >> > > course offer an update as they become available.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > *Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided feedback
> > on
> > >> the
> > >> > > draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based
> on
> > >> the
> > >> > > feedback you offered.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > *Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
> > >> > > organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will be
> > >> > invited
> > >> > > to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we
> are
> > >> > > building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the
> > process
> > >> > and
> > >> > > timeline.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > *Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the
> > >> > volunteers,
> > >> > > staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible! As
> > we
> > >> > > transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded and
> > new
> > >> > ones
> > >> > > created in their place. We'll keep you updated.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > *Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join Wikimedians
> > from
> > >> > > Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth annual
> > >> > Wikimedia
> > >> > > CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla
> > led a
> > >> > > series of discussions on the direction, including what it means
> for
> > >> > CEE.[3]
> > >> > > Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the attendees
> > for
> > >> > such
> > >> > > a wonderful event!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > *In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you
> appreciate
> > >> > these
> > >> > > updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm
> > >> talking
> > >> > to
> > >> > > the Communications department about keeping them going once the
> > >> strategic
> > >> > > planning process concludes, with a focus on more general updates.
> > Keep
> > >> > the
> > >> > > feedback coming.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its incredible
> > and
> > >> > > often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many within
> > the
> > >> > > Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have
> been
> > >> > > affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been in
> > >> touch
> > >> > > with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any
> > support
> > >> we
> > >> > > can.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation
> is
> > in
> > >> > the
> > >> > > process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower. We
> > >> invite
> > >> > > you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]
> > >> > >
> > >> > > We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process, and
> I
> > am
> > >> > > incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the
> strategy.
> > >> Thank
> > >> > > you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process. We
> > >> have
> > >> > > more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved
> > already.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Katherine
> > >> > >
> > >> > > [1]
> > >> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/
> > >> > 2017/Direction
> > >> > > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017
> > >> > > [3]
> > >> > > <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%
> > >> > > E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
> > >> > > [4]
> > >> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> > >> > > September/088654.html
> > >> > > [5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> > >> headquarters
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > Katherine Maher
> > >> > > Executive Director
> > >> > >
> > >> > > *We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Lodewijk
(first I'll respond to Ziko/Yaroslav, and then I'll ponder a bit about the
direction in a more general sense)

Just to check, Ziko and Yaroslav: are you talking about Wikipedia, or the
sum of all human knowledge? Are you arguing that Wikipedia should only make
use of secondary sources, or are you arguing that the whole Wikimedia
movement should limit itself to that?

I can see pathways (although they won't be easy) of how oral knowledge can
be collected, described, analyzed, compared and turned into a secondary
source in Wikimedia projects. Maybe Wikipedia is not the most suitable
project for that - this is something we could discuss. This is a typical
topic that is super important to a part of our community.

This is probably true for many things: what doesn't work for Wikipedia
(right now), may well work within other projects. Not each component of the
strategy is equally applicable to every single person and every single
situation.

But in general, there are two ways that the strategic direction can be
improved - and they are in direct contradiction. The first is to make
everything more acceptable to everyone. That is basically what you're
arguing here. The second is what was a resonating feedback I heard at
Wikimania: to make clearer choices. Actually setting a direction.

We are an incredibly diverse community (even if we are underrepresented in
many groups), and people will want to go in different directions. After
reading the current direction, I'm acknowledging there's more 'direction',
but still feel left hanging.

I don't understand what exactly that direction is headed towards, there is
too much space for a variety of interpretation. The one thing that I take
away though, is that we won't place ourselves at the center of the free
knowledge universe (as a brand), but want to become a service. We don't
expect people to know about 'Wikipedia' in 10 years, but we do want that
our work is being put to good use. Is this a correct (simplified)
interpretation?

Lodewijk

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Yaroslav Blanter <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I fully support Ziko on this point. Making oral tradidions welcome, in
> particular, making them welcome at Wikipedia, will open the door to all
> king of fringe POV theories. We were able to distinguish ourselves exactly
> because these fringe theories had no place on Wikipedia. Allowing them
> meaning shoot our own feet.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Dear Guillaume,
> >
> > Thank you for making your point of view clear, I appreciate that. Please
> > allow me to make two points clear myself.
> >
> > (A) It is not my opinion that only active Wikipedians are „community“.
> > There are other Wikimedia wikis, and also activities, that have a
> community
> > character. I do reject the idea to open the term community to literally
> > everybody/anybody „and beyond“. It would be necessary that the draft
> paper,
> > instead, explains what should be understood by „movement“ or „community“
> in
> > order to avoid certain ambiguities.
> >
> > (B) I also do not deny that there is an overweight of content that is
> > related to Western countries and culture. On (English) Wikipedia, the
> > average Dutch village is certainly much better described than a larger
> city
> > in, for example, Ethiopia or Guatemala. I am always supportive of
> > initiatives that want to do something about this lack of balance. (And I
> > suppose that most people on the Berlin conference meant that, too).
> >
> > But the wording in the further strategy process was much different. The
> > concept of „reliable sources“ was called a Western bias, while „oral
> > traditions“ should be considered to be reliable as well.
> >
> > I know that writing the history of many countries is difficult because of
> > the lack of written material. That makes it also difficult to write a
> more
> > complete history of, for example, Celtic and Germanic tribes in ancient
> > times.
> >
> > But „oral traditions“ are just not reliable in the way scholarly
> literature
> > is. Historians provide us with numerous examples how people fail in
> > remembering what they heard a long time ago, or even recently. The human
> > brain is simply not made by nature to be a historian or a data storage;
> > human memory is fragile and changes. Also, additionally some people have
> a
> > malicious intent when giving their testimony to a historian or a well
> > meaning platform for „oral history“. A historian‘s work is to collect
> > several testimonies, compare them to each other (= the transcripts of
> their
> > interviews) and corroborate them with other material - and finally write
> > their own account of their research.
> >
> > Imagine, I would claim that I am a descendant of Charlemagne (source: my
> > father and grandfather told me so). Or that national socialism had a
> > positive impact on Germany and many other lucky countries in Europe
> > (source: what someone told me at family meetings). - Wikipedia works
> > because we use „secondary sources“, scholarly literature. That is where
> > (some major aspects of) the quality comes from. That is why people like
> > Wikipedia and donate for it.
> >
> > It would be necessary to make Wikipedia the great (even greater)
> > encyclopedia it could be. With an integration of Wikidata and Commons,
> and
> > good interfaces. With the focus on readability, with a well thought
> through
> > concept of providing content for the general public, for special groups
> and
> > for scholars. With an understanding of what we do and what we explicitly
> > don’t do, with whom we can partner up (and where are the limits). This
> more
> > cautious vision makes me not very enthusiast, to say the least, about
> > widening the scope to a degree that we loose recognizability.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Ziko
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > o
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Guillaume Paumier <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi. 4. Okt. 2017
> um
> > 04:37:
> >
> > > Dear Ziko,
> > >
> > > For context, I want to preface this by saying that I am speaking as a
> > > former member of the strategy team, not as a Foundation employee. My
> > > perspective was always that the team leading the movement strategy
> > process
> > > was working in service of the movement, not of the Foundation.
> > >
> > > I hear that you are unsatisfied with some of the content of the
> > document. I
> > > hear that you disagree with particular elements like advocacy or new
> > forms
> > > of knowledge. I hear that you question the broad definition of
> > "community",
> > > which in your opinion should only include active Wikipedians.
> > >
> > > I don't agree with all your points, but I understand them and I relate
> to
> > > some.
> > >
> > > I appreciate that you hold very strong opinions on some of those
> topics.
> > I
> > > would like you to see that other people in the movement can hold
> > > dramatically different opinions that are just as valid.
> > >
> > > Many people (in and outside the movement) pushed for Wikimedia
> > > organizations to become much more active politically. Others expressed
> > > concerns about becoming too political. In the end, the document gave a
> > nod
> > > to political advocacy but didn't make it the number-one priority of the
> > > movement. There was a balance to strike, and I would like you to
> > understand
> > > that need.
> > >
> > > I would also like you to understand that your approach and language may
> > > alienate other members of our communities. When you call oral
> traditions
> > > one of "the most terrible things from the paper" and disparage experts
> > who
> > > shared their opinion with us, your words unwittingly cast away
> > communities
> > > who have been historically left out, and you contribute to perpetuating
> > > their structural oppression.
> > >
> > > You argue that the notions of new forms of knowledge, oral traditions,
> > and
> > > Western bias were pushed by experts and by the Foundation, and didn't
> > come
> > > from the communities. And yet, at the 2017 Wikimedia conference in
> > Berlin,
> > > whose participants were coming from Wikimedia communities, the
> > > most-voted-for statement at the end of the conference was this one:
> > >
> > > *Knowledge is global: we must move beyond western written knowledge,
> > > towards multiple and diverse forms of knowledge (including oral and
> > > visual), from multiple and diverse peoples and perspectives, to truly
> > > achieve the sum of all human knowledge.*
> > > [
> > >
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_
> > 2017/Documentation/Movement_Strategy_track/Day_3
> > > ]
> > >
> > > What I am trying to convey is that for each of your concerns, there are
> > > people within our movement and communities who have fought, like you
> are
> > > fighting now, for those elements to be part of the movement's strategic
> > > direction. And they have outweighed you. On some other topics, your
> > opinion
> > > is the one that prevailed. On many topics, we all agreed. It is now
> time
> > to
> > > accept the outcome and focus on what motivates us to contribute
> > > individually to parts of the strategic direction, so that we can
> advance
> > as
> > > a movement.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2017-10-03 13:38 GMT-07:00 Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > Hello Guillaume,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for sharing your point of view. But I cannot agree with you
> > > that
> > > > this is a case of „negativity bias“ or „tunnel visions“ or
> „begrudging
> > > > fashion“. I have fundamental concerns about the redefinition of the
> > > > community and the widening of the movement‘s purpose, and I fully
> join
> > > > Frank Schulenburg‘s statement that the draft paper says hardly
> anything
> > > to
> > > > the average Wikipedian.
> > > >
> > > > As I do not know your prerogatives given from above, I cannot judge
> > about
> > > > your personal role. I don’t want to and I have nothing against you
> > > > personally, on the contrary. Indeed, you took some of the most
> terrible
> > > > things from the paper - such as the „oral traditions“. But they still
> > > > appear as a residue in the „Appendix“, and how could it happen in the
> > > first
> > > > place that they were ever pushed forward by the WMF? Challenge 2
> called
> > > our
> > > > work with reputable sources a „Western bias“. Where did that come
> from?
> > > Not
> > > > from the communities (my definition), but from „experts“ such as a
> man
> > > who
> > > > runs a company for storytelling and claims that he can trace his
> > ancestry
> > > > to the middle ages via „oral traditions“!
> > > >
> > > > As Andreas pointed out, there is much more in the Appendix such as
> the
> > > > cooperations with Youtube and Google, „new incentives“ etc. and also
> > the
> > > > opinion that „Wikimedia“ should become more „political“. Certainly, I
> > was
> > > > against SOPA and like to see the WMF fight copyright problems. But
> > what I
> > > > saw at Wikimania made me wonder about the common ground. The WMF is
> > > > partnering up with the ACLU that endorses the freedom of speech for
> the
> > > > KuKluxKlan. The WMF is already approaching EU laws from an American
> > point
> > > > of view and dismisses the possibility that Europeans may think
> > > differently.
> > > >
> > > > If we keep all those things in the draft paper and in the Appendix -
> > the
> > > > WMF will have carte blanche to do literally anything it likes, being
> a
> > > > social movement fighting whatever technical, political or social
> > > inequity.
> > > > But well, the WMF will claim that that is what the „community“ wants
> -
> > > > given the new definition of community, that would even be true. :-(
> > > >
> > > > Certainly, people can set up a page on Meta to express their concerns
> > > > about such an unready draft paper. Is this an announcement that
> > > > endorsements of the draft paper will be welcomed at the main gate,
> > while
> > > > the concerns will have to use the backyard entrance?
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards
> > > > Ziko
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Guillaume Paumier <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mo. 2. Okt.
> 2017
> > > um
> > > > 22:36:
> > > >
> > > >> Hello,
> > > >>
> > > >> If you feel a strong urge to reject the text, there is obviously
> > nothing
> > > >> preventing anyone from creating a Meta-Wiki page to that purpose.
> > > However,
> > > >> I would first ask to reflect on the process, its outcome, and where
> > it's
> > > >> going.
> > > >>
> > > >> Strategy is complicated. Building a movement strategy even more so [
> > > >> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/05/19/wikimedia-strategy-
> > > >> 2030-discussions/
> > > >> ]. One person's serious issue may be another person's slight
> > preference.
> > > >> People's serious issues may be at odds with each other (and I can
> tell
> > > you
> > > >> from experience that they are indeed). Balancing all those
> priorities
> > > is a
> > > >> difficult exercise, and I certainly don't claim to have done it
> > > perfectly.
> > > >> But I do think the outcome we've arrived at represents the shared
> > vision
> > > >> of
> > > >> a large part of the movement.
> > > >>
> > > >> As I was writing, rewriting and editing the text of the direction, I
> > did
> > > >> consider everything that was shared on the talk page, and the last
> > > version
> > > >> is indeed based on those comments, as well as those shared during
> > > multiple
> > > >> Wikimania sessions, individual chats, comments from the Drafting
> > group,
> > > >> from affiliates, from staff, and so on.
> > > >>
> > > >> While I did consider all of those, I didn't respond to every single
> > > >> comment, and there is little I can do about that except apologize
> and
> > > >> endeavor to do better. I should have set clearer expectations that
> not
> > > >> every comment would be integrated in the text. I ran into an issue
> all
> > > too
> > > >> familiar in the Wikiverse where one person had to integrate comments
> > and
> > > >> feedback from a large group of people at the same time.
> > > >>
> > > >> High-level vision and strategy integration isn't really something
> that
> > > can
> > > >> be spread across a group of people as easily as writing an
> > encyclopedia
> > > >> article, and so I ended up being a bottleneck for responding to
> > > comments.
> > > >> I
> > > >> had to prioritize what I deemed were issues that were shared by a
> > large
> > > >> group, and those that seemed to be more individual concerns.
> > > >>
> > > >> Anyone who knows me knows that I'm not the "everything must be
> > positive,
> > > >> fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one" type. If anything, I'm rather
> the
> > > >> opposite, as I think many Wikimedians are. If we had unlimited time,
> > I'd
> > > >> probably continue to edit the draft for years, and I'm sure there
> > would
> > > be
> > > >> other perfectionists to feed my obsession.
> > > >>
> > > >> However, others in my personal and professional circles have helped
> me
> > > >> realize in the past few weeks that even getting to this stage of the
> > > >> process is remarkable. As Wikimedians, we often focus on what's
> wrong
> > > and
> > > >> needs fixing. Sometimes, our negativity bias leads us to lose focus
> of
> > > the
> > > >> accomplishments. This can clash with the typical American culture,
> > but I
> > > >> think somewhere in the middle is where those respective tunnel
> visions
> > > >> widen and meet.
> > > >>
> > > >> One thing I've learned from Ed Bland, my co-architect during this
> > > process,
> > > >> is that sometimes things can't be perfect. Sometimes, excellence
> means
> > > >> recognizing when something is "good enough" and getting out of the
> > > >> asymptotic editing and decision paralysis loop. It means accepting
> > that
> > > a
> > > >> few things annoy us so that a larger group of people is excited and
> > > >> motivated to participate.
> > > >>
> > > >> From everything I've heard and read in the past two months, the last
> > > >> version of the direction is agreeable to a large part of
> individuals,
> > > >> groups, and organizations that have been involved in the process.
> Not
> > > >> everyone agrees with everything in the document, even within the
> > > >> Foundation, and even me. But enough people across the movement agree
> > > with
> > > >> enough of the document that we can all use it as a starting point
> for
> > > the
> > > >> next phase of discussions about roles, resources, and
> > responsibilities.
> > > >>
> > > >> I do hope that many of you will consider endorsing the direction in
> a
> > > few
> > > >> weeks. While I won't claim to know everyone involved, I think I know
> > you
> > > >> enough, Ziko and Fæ, from your work and long-time commitment in the
> > > >> movement, to venture that there is more in this document that you
> > agree
> > > >> with than that you disagree with. I hope that the prospect of moving
> > in
> > > a
> > > >> shared direction will outweigh the possible annoyances. And so I
> hope
> > > that
> > > >> we'll endorse the direction together, even if it's in our typically
> > > >> Wikimedian begrudging fashion.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 2017-10-02 6:56 GMT-07:00 Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]>:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Hello Katherine,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away
> from
> > > >> being
> > > >> > a useful and appropriate document for our future.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The serious issues from the talk page are only partially addressed
> > in
> > > >> the
> > > >> > rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is
> based
> > > on
> > > >> the
> > > >> > feedback you offered."
> > > >> >
> > > >> > You have announced that organizations and individuals are invited
> to
> > > >> > endorse the draft. Will there also be a possibility to reject the
> > > >> draft? I
> > > >> > remember the 2011 image filter referendum, when the WMF asked the
> > > >> community
> > > >> > how important it finds the filter, but not giving the option to be
> > > >> against
> > > >> > it.
> > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_
> > > >> referendum/en&
> > > >> > uselang=en
> > > >> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_
> > > >> referendum/en&uselang=en>
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The drafts tries to enforce a new definition of the "community":
> > "from
> > > >> > editors to donors, to organizers, and beyond". I thought that
> > > >> "community"
> > > >> > were people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a
> regular
> > > >> basis
> > > >> > as volunteers.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if
> in
> > > >> future
> > > >> > more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact
> > abolishing
> > > >> the
> > > >> > community.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Kind regards,
> > > >> > Ziko van Dijk
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <[hidden email]
> >:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Hi all,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Since my update last month, we have been collecting, processing,
> > and
> > > >> > > including your most recent input into the lastest version of the
> > > >> movement
> > > >> > > strategic direction. This version is available on Meta-Wiki.[1]
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow,
> October
> > 1.
> > > >> > > Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and
> groups
> > to
> > > >> > > endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my
> > > >> greatest
> > > >> > > thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many
> of
> > > you
> > > >> > have
> > > >> > > made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a
> shared
> > > >> > strategic
> > > >> > > direction.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which will
> > > >> involve
> > > >> > > developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we
> have
> > > >> built
> > > >> > > together. I do not have many more details to share right now,
> but
> > > >> will of
> > > >> > > course offer an update as they become available.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > *Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided
> feedback
> > > on
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is based
> > on
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > feedback you offered.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > *Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
> > > >> > > organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement will
> be
> > > >> > invited
> > > >> > > to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future we
> > are
> > > >> > > building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the
> > > process
> > > >> > and
> > > >> > > timeline.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > *Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the
> > > >> > volunteers,
> > > >> > > staff, and contractors who came together to make this possible!
> As
> > > we
> > > >> > > transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded
> and
> > > new
> > > >> > ones
> > > >> > > created in their place. We'll keep you updated.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > *Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join
> Wikimedians
> > > from
> > > >> > > Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth
> annual
> > > >> > Wikimedia
> > > >> > > CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel Vaidla
> > > led a
> > > >> > > series of discussions on the direction, including what it means
> > for
> > > >> > CEE.[3]
> > > >> > > Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the
> attendees
> > > for
> > > >> > such
> > > >> > > a wonderful event!
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > *In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you
> > appreciate
> > > >> > these
> > > >> > > updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on. I'm
> > > >> talking
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > > the Communications department about keeping them going once the
> > > >> strategic
> > > >> > > planning process concludes, with a focus on more general
> updates.
> > > Keep
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > feedback coming.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its
> incredible
> > > and
> > > >> > > often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many
> within
> > > the
> > > >> > > Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have
> > been
> > > >> > > affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have been
> in
> > > >> touch
> > > >> > > with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any
> > > support
> > > >> we
> > > >> > > can.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the Foundation
> > is
> > > in
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery Tower.
> We
> > > >> invite
> > > >> > > you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process,
> and
> > I
> > > am
> > > >> > > incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the
> > strategy.
> > > >> Thank
> > > >> > > you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this process.
> We
> > > >> have
> > > >> > > more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved
> > > already.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Katherine
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > [1]
> > > >> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/
> > > >> > 2017/Direction
> > > >> > > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_2017
> > > >> > > [3]
> > > >> > > <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%
> > > >> > > E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
> > > >> > > [4]
> > > >> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> > > >> > > September/088654.html
> > > >> > > [5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> > > >> headquarters
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > --
> > > >> > > Katherine Maher
> > > >> > > Executive Director
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > *We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Wikimedia Foundation
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> > > >> > > San Francisco, CA 94104
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

Yaroslav Blanter
Thanks Lodewijk.

I do not know about Ziko, but my personal position which I also expressed
during the strategy consultations is that oral traditions can not be taken
to Wikipedia. They might still be a separate WMF project, which is likely
to be problematic (since it is really difficult to differentiate between
say folk tales and the oral traditions which state that Earth is flat and
that all US presidents report to the Zionist Occupational Government), but
at least I see how it can exist. We certainly do have WMF projects which
allow original research.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 8:19 PM, Lodewijk <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> (first I'll respond to Ziko/Yaroslav, and then I'll ponder a bit about the
> direction in a more general sense)
>
> Just to check, Ziko and Yaroslav: are you talking about Wikipedia, or the
> sum of all human knowledge? Are you arguing that Wikipedia should only make
> use of secondary sources, or are you arguing that the whole Wikimedia
> movement should limit itself to that?
>
> I can see pathways (although they won't be easy) of how oral knowledge can
> be collected, described, analyzed, compared and turned into a secondary
> source in Wikimedia projects. Maybe Wikipedia is not the most suitable
> project for that - this is something we could discuss. This is a typical
> topic that is super important to a part of our community.
>
> This is probably true for many things: what doesn't work for Wikipedia
> (right now), may well work within other projects. Not each component of the
> strategy is equally applicable to every single person and every single
> situation.
>
> But in general, there are two ways that the strategic direction can be
> improved - and they are in direct contradiction. The first is to make
> everything more acceptable to everyone. That is basically what you're
> arguing here. The second is what was a resonating feedback I heard at
> Wikimania: to make clearer choices. Actually setting a direction.
>
> We are an incredibly diverse community (even if we are underrepresented in
> many groups), and people will want to go in different directions. After
> reading the current direction, I'm acknowledging there's more 'direction',
> but still feel left hanging.
>
> I don't understand what exactly that direction is headed towards, there is
> too much space for a variety of interpretation. The one thing that I take
> away though, is that we won't place ourselves at the center of the free
> knowledge universe (as a brand), but want to become a service. We don't
> expect people to know about 'Wikipedia' in 10 years, but we do want that
> our work is being put to good use. Is this a correct (simplified)
> interpretation?
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Yaroslav Blanter <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I fully support Ziko on this point. Making oral tradidions welcome, in
> > particular, making them welcome at Wikipedia, will open the door to all
> > king of fringe POV theories. We were able to distinguish ourselves
> exactly
> > because these fringe theories had no place on Wikipedia. Allowing them
> > meaning shoot our own feet.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Yaroslav
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Guillaume,
> > >
> > > Thank you for making your point of view clear, I appreciate that.
> Please
> > > allow me to make two points clear myself.
> > >
> > > (A) It is not my opinion that only active Wikipedians are „community“.
> > > There are other Wikimedia wikis, and also activities, that have a
> > community
> > > character. I do reject the idea to open the term community to literally
> > > everybody/anybody „and beyond“. It would be necessary that the draft
> > paper,
> > > instead, explains what should be understood by „movement“ or
> „community“
> > in
> > > order to avoid certain ambiguities.
> > >
> > > (B) I also do not deny that there is an overweight of content that is
> > > related to Western countries and culture. On (English) Wikipedia, the
> > > average Dutch village is certainly much better described than a larger
> > city
> > > in, for example, Ethiopia or Guatemala. I am always supportive of
> > > initiatives that want to do something about this lack of balance. (And
> I
> > > suppose that most people on the Berlin conference meant that, too).
> > >
> > > But the wording in the further strategy process was much different. The
> > > concept of „reliable sources“ was called a Western bias, while „oral
> > > traditions“ should be considered to be reliable as well.
> > >
> > > I know that writing the history of many countries is difficult because
> of
> > > the lack of written material. That makes it also difficult to write a
> > more
> > > complete history of, for example, Celtic and Germanic tribes in ancient
> > > times.
> > >
> > > But „oral traditions“ are just not reliable in the way scholarly
> > literature
> > > is. Historians provide us with numerous examples how people fail in
> > > remembering what they heard a long time ago, or even recently. The
> human
> > > brain is simply not made by nature to be a historian or a data storage;
> > > human memory is fragile and changes. Also, additionally some people
> have
> > a
> > > malicious intent when giving their testimony to a historian or a well
> > > meaning platform for „oral history“. A historian‘s work is to collect
> > > several testimonies, compare them to each other (= the transcripts of
> > their
> > > interviews) and corroborate them with other material - and finally
> write
> > > their own account of their research.
> > >
> > > Imagine, I would claim that I am a descendant of Charlemagne (source:
> my
> > > father and grandfather told me so). Or that national socialism had a
> > > positive impact on Germany and many other lucky countries in Europe
> > > (source: what someone told me at family meetings). - Wikipedia works
> > > because we use „secondary sources“, scholarly literature. That is where
> > > (some major aspects of) the quality comes from. That is why people like
> > > Wikipedia and donate for it.
> > >
> > > It would be necessary to make Wikipedia the great (even greater)
> > > encyclopedia it could be. With an integration of Wikidata and Commons,
> > and
> > > good interfaces. With the focus on readability, with a well thought
> > through
> > > concept of providing content for the general public, for special groups
> > and
> > > for scholars. With an understanding of what we do and what we
> explicitly
> > > don’t do, with whom we can partner up (and where are the limits). This
> > more
> > > cautious vision makes me not very enthusiast, to say the least, about
> > > widening the scope to a degree that we loose recognizability.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Ziko
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > o
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Guillaume Paumier <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi. 4. Okt. 2017
> > um
> > > 04:37:
> > >
> > > > Dear Ziko,
> > > >
> > > > For context, I want to preface this by saying that I am speaking as a
> > > > former member of the strategy team, not as a Foundation employee. My
> > > > perspective was always that the team leading the movement strategy
> > > process
> > > > was working in service of the movement, not of the Foundation.
> > > >
> > > > I hear that you are unsatisfied with some of the content of the
> > > document. I
> > > > hear that you disagree with particular elements like advocacy or new
> > > forms
> > > > of knowledge. I hear that you question the broad definition of
> > > "community",
> > > > which in your opinion should only include active Wikipedians.
> > > >
> > > > I don't agree with all your points, but I understand them and I
> relate
> > to
> > > > some.
> > > >
> > > > I appreciate that you hold very strong opinions on some of those
> > topics.
> > > I
> > > > would like you to see that other people in the movement can hold
> > > > dramatically different opinions that are just as valid.
> > > >
> > > > Many people (in and outside the movement) pushed for Wikimedia
> > > > organizations to become much more active politically. Others
> expressed
> > > > concerns about becoming too political. In the end, the document gave
> a
> > > nod
> > > > to political advocacy but didn't make it the number-one priority of
> the
> > > > movement. There was a balance to strike, and I would like you to
> > > understand
> > > > that need.
> > > >
> > > > I would also like you to understand that your approach and language
> may
> > > > alienate other members of our communities. When you call oral
> > traditions
> > > > one of "the most terrible things from the paper" and disparage
> experts
> > > who
> > > > shared their opinion with us, your words unwittingly cast away
> > > communities
> > > > who have been historically left out, and you contribute to
> perpetuating
> > > > their structural oppression.
> > > >
> > > > You argue that the notions of new forms of knowledge, oral
> traditions,
> > > and
> > > > Western bias were pushed by experts and by the Foundation, and didn't
> > > come
> > > > from the communities. And yet, at the 2017 Wikimedia conference in
> > > Berlin,
> > > > whose participants were coming from Wikimedia communities, the
> > > > most-voted-for statement at the end of the conference was this one:
> > > >
> > > > *Knowledge is global: we must move beyond western written knowledge,
> > > > towards multiple and diverse forms of knowledge (including oral and
> > > > visual), from multiple and diverse peoples and perspectives, to truly
> > > > achieve the sum of all human knowledge.*
> > > > [
> > > >
> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_
> > > 2017/Documentation/Movement_Strategy_track/Day_3
> > > > ]
> > > >
> > > > What I am trying to convey is that for each of your concerns, there
> are
> > > > people within our movement and communities who have fought, like you
> > are
> > > > fighting now, for those elements to be part of the movement's
> strategic
> > > > direction. And they have outweighed you. On some other topics, your
> > > opinion
> > > > is the one that prevailed. On many topics, we all agreed. It is now
> > time
> > > to
> > > > accept the outcome and focus on what motivates us to contribute
> > > > individually to parts of the strategic direction, so that we can
> > advance
> > > as
> > > > a movement.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2017-10-03 13:38 GMT-07:00 Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello Guillaume,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for sharing your point of view. But I cannot agree with
> you
> > > > that
> > > > > this is a case of „negativity bias“ or „tunnel visions“ or
> > „begrudging
> > > > > fashion“. I have fundamental concerns about the redefinition of the
> > > > > community and the widening of the movement‘s purpose, and I fully
> > join
> > > > > Frank Schulenburg‘s statement that the draft paper says hardly
> > anything
> > > > to
> > > > > the average Wikipedian.
> > > > >
> > > > > As I do not know your prerogatives given from above, I cannot judge
> > > about
> > > > > your personal role. I don’t want to and I have nothing against you
> > > > > personally, on the contrary. Indeed, you took some of the most
> > terrible
> > > > > things from the paper - such as the „oral traditions“. But they
> still
> > > > > appear as a residue in the „Appendix“, and how could it happen in
> the
> > > > first
> > > > > place that they were ever pushed forward by the WMF? Challenge 2
> > called
> > > > our
> > > > > work with reputable sources a „Western bias“. Where did that come
> > from?
> > > > Not
> > > > > from the communities (my definition), but from „experts“ such as a
> > man
> > > > who
> > > > > runs a company for storytelling and claims that he can trace his
> > > ancestry
> > > > > to the middle ages via „oral traditions“!
> > > > >
> > > > > As Andreas pointed out, there is much more in the Appendix such as
> > the
> > > > > cooperations with Youtube and Google, „new incentives“ etc. and
> also
> > > the
> > > > > opinion that „Wikimedia“ should become more „political“.
> Certainly, I
> > > was
> > > > > against SOPA and like to see the WMF fight copyright problems. But
> > > what I
> > > > > saw at Wikimania made me wonder about the common ground. The WMF is
> > > > > partnering up with the ACLU that endorses the freedom of speech for
> > the
> > > > > KuKluxKlan. The WMF is already approaching EU laws from an American
> > > point
> > > > > of view and dismisses the possibility that Europeans may think
> > > > differently.
> > > > >
> > > > > If we keep all those things in the draft paper and in the Appendix
> -
> > > the
> > > > > WMF will have carte blanche to do literally anything it likes,
> being
> > a
> > > > > social movement fighting whatever technical, political or social
> > > > inequity.
> > > > > But well, the WMF will claim that that is what the „community“
> wants
> > -
> > > > > given the new definition of community, that would even be true. :-(
> > > > >
> > > > > Certainly, people can set up a page on Meta to express their
> concerns
> > > > > about such an unready draft paper. Is this an announcement that
> > > > > endorsements of the draft paper will be welcomed at the main gate,
> > > while
> > > > > the concerns will have to use the backyard entrance?
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind regards
> > > > > Ziko
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Guillaume Paumier <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mo. 2. Okt.
> > 2017
> > > > um
> > > > > 22:36:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hello,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If you feel a strong urge to reject the text, there is obviously
> > > nothing
> > > > >> preventing anyone from creating a Meta-Wiki page to that purpose.
> > > > However,
> > > > >> I would first ask to reflect on the process, its outcome, and
> where
> > > it's
> > > > >> going.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Strategy is complicated. Building a movement strategy even more
> so [
> > > > >> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/05/19/wikimedia-strategy-
> > > > >> 2030-discussions/
> > > > >> ]. One person's serious issue may be another person's slight
> > > preference.
> > > > >> People's serious issues may be at odds with each other (and I can
> > tell
> > > > you
> > > > >> from experience that they are indeed). Balancing all those
> > priorities
> > > > is a
> > > > >> difficult exercise, and I certainly don't claim to have done it
> > > > perfectly.
> > > > >> But I do think the outcome we've arrived at represents the shared
> > > vision
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> a large part of the movement.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> As I was writing, rewriting and editing the text of the
> direction, I
> > > did
> > > > >> consider everything that was shared on the talk page, and the last
> > > > version
> > > > >> is indeed based on those comments, as well as those shared during
> > > > multiple
> > > > >> Wikimania sessions, individual chats, comments from the Drafting
> > > group,
> > > > >> from affiliates, from staff, and so on.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> While I did consider all of those, I didn't respond to every
> single
> > > > >> comment, and there is little I can do about that except apologize
> > and
> > > > >> endeavor to do better. I should have set clearer expectations that
> > not
> > > > >> every comment would be integrated in the text. I ran into an issue
> > all
> > > > too
> > > > >> familiar in the Wikiverse where one person had to integrate
> comments
> > > and
> > > > >> feedback from a large group of people at the same time.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> High-level vision and strategy integration isn't really something
> > that
> > > > can
> > > > >> be spread across a group of people as easily as writing an
> > > encyclopedia
> > > > >> article, and so I ended up being a bottleneck for responding to
> > > > comments.
> > > > >> I
> > > > >> had to prioritize what I deemed were issues that were shared by a
> > > large
> > > > >> group, and those that seemed to be more individual concerns.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Anyone who knows me knows that I'm not the "everything must be
> > > positive,
> > > > >> fantastic, yeehaw-we-are-number-one" type. If anything, I'm rather
> > the
> > > > >> opposite, as I think many Wikimedians are. If we had unlimited
> time,
> > > I'd
> > > > >> probably continue to edit the draft for years, and I'm sure there
> > > would
> > > > be
> > > > >> other perfectionists to feed my obsession.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> However, others in my personal and professional circles have
> helped
> > me
> > > > >> realize in the past few weeks that even getting to this stage of
> the
> > > > >> process is remarkable. As Wikimedians, we often focus on what's
> > wrong
> > > > and
> > > > >> needs fixing. Sometimes, our negativity bias leads us to lose
> focus
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > >> accomplishments. This can clash with the typical American culture,
> > > but I
> > > > >> think somewhere in the middle is where those respective tunnel
> > visions
> > > > >> widen and meet.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> One thing I've learned from Ed Bland, my co-architect during this
> > > > process,
> > > > >> is that sometimes things can't be perfect. Sometimes, excellence
> > means
> > > > >> recognizing when something is "good enough" and getting out of the
> > > > >> asymptotic editing and decision paralysis loop. It means accepting
> > > that
> > > > a
> > > > >> few things annoy us so that a larger group of people is excited
> and
> > > > >> motivated to participate.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> From everything I've heard and read in the past two months, the
> last
> > > > >> version of the direction is agreeable to a large part of
> > individuals,
> > > > >> groups, and organizations that have been involved in the process.
> > Not
> > > > >> everyone agrees with everything in the document, even within the
> > > > >> Foundation, and even me. But enough people across the movement
> agree
> > > > with
> > > > >> enough of the document that we can all use it as a starting point
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > >> next phase of discussions about roles, resources, and
> > > responsibilities.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I do hope that many of you will consider endorsing the direction
> in
> > a
> > > > few
> > > > >> weeks. While I won't claim to know everyone involved, I think I
> know
> > > you
> > > > >> enough, Ziko and Fæ, from your work and long-time commitment in
> the
> > > > >> movement, to venture that there is more in this document that you
> > > agree
> > > > >> with than that you disagree with. I hope that the prospect of
> moving
> > > in
> > > > a
> > > > >> shared direction will outweigh the possible annoyances. And so I
> > hope
> > > > that
> > > > >> we'll endorse the direction together, even if it's in our
> typically
> > > > >> Wikimedian begrudging fashion.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2017-10-02 6:56 GMT-07:00 Ziko van Dijk <[hidden email]>:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Hello Katherine,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > This is actually sad news. In my opinion, the draft is far away
> > from
> > > > >> being
> > > > >> > a useful and appropriate document for our future.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The serious issues from the talk page are only partially
> addressed
> > > in
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > rewrite. So I contest your claim: "The version on Meta-Wiki is
> > based
> > > > on
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > feedback you offered."
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > You have announced that organizations and individuals are
> invited
> > to
> > > > >> > endorse the draft. Will there also be a possibility to reject
> the
> > > > >> draft? I
> > > > >> > remember the 2011 image filter referendum, when the WMF asked
> the
> > > > >> community
> > > > >> > how important it finds the filter, but not giving the option to
> be
> > > > >> against
> > > > >> > it.
> > > > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_
> > > > >> referendum/en&
> > > > >> > uselang=en
> > > > >> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image_filter_
> > > > >> referendum/en&uselang=en>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The drafts tries to enforce a new definition of the "community":
> > > "from
> > > > >> > editors to donors, to organizers, and beyond". I thought that
> > > > >> "community"
> > > > >> > were people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a
> > regular
> > > > >> basis
> > > > >> > as volunteers.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But
> if
> > in
> > > > >> future
> > > > >> > more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact
> > > abolishing
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > community.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Kind regards,
> > > > >> > Ziko van Dijk
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > 2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <
> [hidden email]
> > >:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > Hi all,
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Since my update last month, we have been collecting,
> processing,
> > > and
> > > > >> > > including your most recent input into the lastest version of
> the
> > > > >> movement
> > > > >> > > strategic direction. This version is available on
> Meta-Wiki.[1]
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > We're so close! The direction will be finalized tomorrow,
> > October
> > > 1.
> > > > >> > > Starting tomorrow, we will begin to invite individuals and
> > groups
> > > to
> > > > >> > > endorse our movement's strategic direction. I want to share my
> > > > >> greatest
> > > > >> > > thanks and appreciation for the work and contributions so many
> > of
> > > > you
> > > > >> > have
> > > > >> > > made throughout this first phase (Phase 1) of developing a
> > shared
> > > > >> > strategic
> > > > >> > > direction.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > In the coming weeks we will be preparing for Phase 2, which
> will
> > > > >> involve
> > > > >> > > developing specific plans for how we achieve the direction we
> > have
> > > > >> built
> > > > >> > > together. I do not have many more details to share right now,
> > but
> > > > >> will of
> > > > >> > > course offer an update as they become available.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > *Strategic direction*. Thank you to everyone who provided
> > feedback
> > > > on
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > > draft introduced at Wikimania. The version on Meta-Wiki is
> based
> > > on
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > > feedback you offered.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > *Endorsements*. Once the strategic direction closes tomorrow,
> > > > >> > > organizations, groups, and individuals within the movement
> will
> > be
> > > > >> > invited
> > > > >> > > to endorse the direction, in a show of support for the future
> we
> > > are
> > > > >> > > building together. We'll be sending an update next week on the
> > > > process
> > > > >> > and
> > > > >> > > timeline.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > *Concluding Phase 1*. Please join me in offering thanks to the
> > > > >> > volunteers,
> > > > >> > > staff, and contractors who came together to make this
> possible!
> > As
> > > > we
> > > > >> > > transition into Phase 2, some of these roles will be concluded
> > and
> > > > new
> > > > >> > ones
> > > > >> > > created in their place. We'll keep you updated.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > *Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2017*. I was fortunate to join
> > Wikimedians
> > > > from
> > > > >> > > Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) last weekend at the sixth
> > annual
> > > > >> > Wikimedia
> > > > >> > > CEE Meeting[2] in Warsaw, Poland. Nicole Ebber and Kaarel
> Vaidla
> > > > led a
> > > > >> > > series of discussions on the direction, including what it
> means
> > > for
> > > > >> > CEE.[3]
> > > > >> > > Thank you our hosts, Wikimedia Polska, and to all of the
> > attendees
> > > > for
> > > > >> > such
> > > > >> > > a wonderful event!
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > *In other news.* I've heard from many people how much you
> > > appreciate
> > > > >> > these
> > > > >> > > updates as a means of keeping track about what is going on.
> I'm
> > > > >> talking
> > > > >> > to
> > > > >> > > the Communications department about keeping them going once
> the
> > > > >> strategic
> > > > >> > > planning process concludes, with a focus on more general
> > updates.
> > > > Keep
> > > > >> > the
> > > > >> > > feedback coming.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Since my last update, our planet has reminded us of its
> > incredible
> > > > and
> > > > >> > > often unforgiving strength. My thoughts, and those of many
> > within
> > > > the
> > > > >> > > Wikimedia Foundation, are with our Wikimedia family which have
> > > been
> > > > >> > > affected by the natural disasters of recent weeks. We have
> been
> > in
> > > > >> touch
> > > > >> > > with our affiliates in the areas impacted, and will offer any
> > > > support
> > > > >> we
> > > > >> > > can.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Finally, as our CFO Jaime mentioned last week,[3] the
> Foundation
> > > is
> > > > in
> > > > >> > the
> > > > >> > > process of moving into our new office, in One Montgomery
> Tower.
> > We
> > > > >> invite
> > > > >> > > you to visit its new page on Meta-Wiki.[4]
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > We are at the halfway mark of this movement strategy process,
> > and
> > > I
> > > > am
> > > > >> > > incredibly proud of the work we have done together on the
> > > strategy.
> > > > >> Thank
> > > > >> > > you, again, to everyone for your contributions to this
> process.
> > We
> > > > >> have
> > > > >> > > more work ahead but should be proud of what we have achieved
> > > > already.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Ten cuidado (Spanish translation: “Be safe”),
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Katherine
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > [1]
> > > > >> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/
> > > > >> > 2017/Direction
> > > > >> > > [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Meeting_
> 2017
> > > > >> > > [3]
> > > > >> > > <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CEE_meeting_2017_%
> > > > >> > > E2%80%93_Movement_Strategy.pdf
> > > > >> > > [4]
> > > > >> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> > > > >> > > September/088654.html
> > > > >> > > [5]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> > > > >> headquarters
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > --
> > > > >> > > Katherine Maher
> > > > >> > > Executive Director
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > *We're moving on October 1, 2017!  **Our new address:*
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > > >> > > 1 Montgomery Street, Suite 1600
> > > > >> > > San Francisco, CA 94104
> > > > >> > >
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> > > > >> > > +1 (415) 712 4873 <(415)%20712-4873>
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