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James Forrester-4
All,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts
work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools
for our users (like cross-wiki notifications). These changes will mean
users have the same account name everywhere, will let us give you new
features that will help you edit & discuss better, and will allow more
flexible user permissions for tools. One of the pre-conditions for
this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900
Wikimedia wikis.[0]

Unfortunately, some accounts are currently not unique across all our
wikis, but instead clash with other users who have the same account
name. To make sure that all of these users can use Wikimedia's wikis
in future, we will be renaming a number of accounts to have "~” and
the name of their wiki added to the end of their accounts' name. This
change will take place on or around 27 May. For example, a user called
“Example” on the Swedish Wiktionary who will be renamed would become
“Example~svwiktionary”.

All accounts will still work as before, and will continue to be
credited for all their edits made so far. However, users with renamed
accounts (whom we will be contacting individually) will have to use
the new account name when they log in.

It will now only be possible for accounts to be renamed globally; the
RenameUser tool will no longer work on a local basis - since all
accounts must be globally unique - therefore it will be withdrawn from
bureaucrats' tool sets. It will still be possible for users to ask on
Meta for their account to be renamed further, if they do not like
their new user name, once this takes place.

A copy of this note is posted to meta [1] for translation. Please
forward this to your local communities, and help get it translated.
Individuals who are affected will be notified via talk page and e-mail
notices nearer the time.

[0] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Unified_login
[1] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Single_User_Login_finalisation_announcement

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

Fæ
Hi James, thanks for the links.

Keeping in mind that there will be users that unexpectedly find their
much loved account name changed the next time they try to log in, and
this may be central to their established online wiki identity, is
there a community discussion that we can point to where this approach
was consulted on?

Thanks,
Fae

On 30 April 2013 03:29, James Forrester <[hidden email]> wrote:

> All,
>
> The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts
> work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools
> for our users (like cross-wiki notifications). These changes will mean
> users have the same account name everywhere, will let us give you new
> features that will help you edit & discuss better, and will allow more
> flexible user permissions for tools. One of the pre-conditions for
> this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900
> Wikimedia wikis.[0]
>
> Unfortunately, some accounts are currently not unique across all our
> wikis, but instead clash with other users who have the same account
> name. To make sure that all of these users can use Wikimedia's wikis
> in future, we will be renaming a number of accounts to have "~” and
> the name of their wiki added to the end of their accounts' name. This
> change will take place on or around 27 May. For example, a user called
> “Example” on the Swedish Wiktionary who will be renamed would become
> “Example~svwiktionary”.
>
> All accounts will still work as before, and will continue to be
> credited for all their edits made so far. However, users with renamed
> accounts (whom we will be contacting individually) will have to use
> the new account name when they log in.
>
> It will now only be possible for accounts to be renamed globally; the
> RenameUser tool will no longer work on a local basis - since all
> accounts must be globally unique - therefore it will be withdrawn from
> bureaucrats' tool sets. It will still be possible for users to ask on
> Meta for their account to be renamed further, if they do not like
> their new user name, once this takes place.
>
> A copy of this note is posted to meta [1] for translation. Please
> forward this to your local communities, and help get it translated.
> Individuals who are affected will be notified via talk page and e-mail
> notices nearer the time.
>
> [0] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Unified_login
> [1] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Single_User_Login_finalisation_announcement
>
> Yours,
> --
> James D. Forrester
> Product Manager, VisualEditor
> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>
> [hidden email] | @jdforrester
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

James Forrester-4
Fae,

Though I understand the concern that users will have, the need to
rename a relatively-small number of accounts is a technical
requirement that has been built into our system since SUL was designed
c. 2005; it was switched on in early 2008. This has (sadly) been on
the back-burner for too many years now, and efforts to finalise things
have repeatedly stalled. By waiting, and not wanting to bite the
bullet, we have increased (significantly) the number of accounts
affected by this, and discussing it further will certainly not reduce
that fact. That said, the vast majority of accounts affected will not
be actively used - and if your account is already global (as you will
be informed against "Global account status" in your preferences), this
will not affect your account in any way.

This is, primarily, a developer action necessary to improve the site
and provide better tools for our users (like cross-wiki notifications
and watchlists, giving limited editing rights to a tool editing
through your account, and others). Of course, we are sensitive to the
emotional attachment that users will have to their account's name, and
I do not want to make light of that. We have worked hard over the past
few months to help ameliorate this with better tools for renaming
accounts (so that users who are affected can pick a new name that they
like more easily), which will ease the transition. But discussing it
further will not make it go away.

Yours,

On 29 April 2013 19:38, Fae <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi James, thanks for the links.
>
> Keeping in mind that there will be users that unexpectedly find their
> much loved account name changed the next time they try to log in, and
> this may be central to their established online wiki identity, is
> there a community discussion that we can point to where this approach
> was consulted on?
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
>
> On 30 April 2013 03:29, James Forrester <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts
>> work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools
>> for our users (like cross-wiki notifications). These changes will mean
>> users have the same account name everywhere, will let us give you new
>> features that will help you edit & discuss better, and will allow more
>> flexible user permissions for tools. One of the pre-conditions for
>> this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900
>> Wikimedia wikis.[0]
>>
>> Unfortunately, some accounts are currently not unique across all our
>> wikis, but instead clash with other users who have the same account
>> name. To make sure that all of these users can use Wikimedia's wikis
>> in future, we will be renaming a number of accounts to have "~” and
>> the name of their wiki added to the end of their accounts' name. This
>> change will take place on or around 27 May. For example, a user called
>> “Example” on the Swedish Wiktionary who will be renamed would become
>> “Example~svwiktionary”.
>>
>> All accounts will still work as before, and will continue to be
>> credited for all their edits made so far. However, users with renamed
>> accounts (whom we will be contacting individually) will have to use
>> the new account name when they log in.
>>
>> It will now only be possible for accounts to be renamed globally; the
>> RenameUser tool will no longer work on a local basis - since all
>> accounts must be globally unique - therefore it will be withdrawn from
>> bureaucrats' tool sets. It will still be possible for users to ask on
>> Meta for their account to be renamed further, if they do not like
>> their new user name, once this takes place.
>>
>> A copy of this note is posted to meta [1] for translation. Please
>> forward this to your local communities, and help get it translated.
>> Individuals who are affected will be notified via talk page and e-mail
>> notices nearer the time.
>>
>> [0] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Unified_login
>> [1] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Single_User_Login_finalisation_announcement
>>
>> Yours,
>> --
>> James D. Forrester
>> Product Manager, VisualEditor
>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>>
>> [hidden email] | @jdforrester
>>
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Fæ
Thanks James, personally I'm comforted by your prompt reply.

My intuition is that this would be unlikely to affect any accounts
with more than 5,000 edits, possibly fewer. I have no doubt that you
intend to take special care to help users with significant
contributions, such as those with a well established contribution
history at this level.

Cheers,
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James Forrester-4
On 29 April 2013 20:59, Fae <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks James, personally I'm comforted by your prompt reply.

Happy to help. :-)

> My intuition is that this would be unlikely to affect any accounts
> with more than 5,000 edits, possibly fewer. I have no doubt that you
> intend to take special care to help users with significant
> contributions, such as those with a well established contribution
> history at this level.

Yes, I'll be personally reviewing the renaming list to make sure we
can catch any particularly-major issues early.

Yours,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

Marco Chiesa
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 4:29 AM, James Forrester
<[hidden email]>wrote:

>
> Unfortunately, some accounts are currently not unique across all our
> wikis, but instead clash with other users who have the same account
> name. To make sure that all of these users can use Wikimedia's wikis
> in future, we will be renaming a number of accounts to have "~” and
> the name of their wiki added to the end of their accounts' name. This
> change will take place on or around 27 May. For example, a user called
> “Example” on the Swedish Wiktionary who will be renamed would become
> “Example~svwiktionary”.
>
>
Why did you choose to insert the character  "~"? Many keyboards do not have
such a key.
Cruccone
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

Magnus Manske-2
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Will the affected users be given a one-time offer to have their accounts
renamed, or are they stuck forever with the "~" ones?


On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 5:01 AM, James Forrester
<[hidden email]>wrote:

> On 29 April 2013 20:59, Fae <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Thanks James, personally I'm comforted by your prompt reply.
>
> Happy to help. :-)
>
> > My intuition is that this would be unlikely to affect any accounts
> > with more than 5,000 edits, possibly fewer. I have no doubt that you
> > intend to take special care to help users with significant
> > contributions, such as those with a well established contribution
> > history at this level.
>
> Yes, I'll be personally reviewing the renaming list to make sure we
> can catch any particularly-major issues early.
>
> Yours,
> --
> James D. Forrester
> Product Manager, VisualEditor
> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

David Richfield
James answered this in his original email:

> It will now only be possible for accounts to be renamed globally; the RenameUser tool will no longer work on a local basis - since all accounts must be globally unique - therefore it will be withdrawn from bureaucrats' tool sets. It will still be possible for users to ask on Meta for their account to be renamed further, if they do not like their new user name, once this takes place.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Magnus Manske
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Will the affected users be given a one-time offer to have their accounts
> renamed, or are they stuck forever with the "~" ones?
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 5:01 AM, James Forrester
> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
>> On 29 April 2013 20:59, Fae <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > Thanks James, personally I'm comforted by your prompt reply.
>>
>> Happy to help. :-)
>>
>> > My intuition is that this would be unlikely to affect any accounts
>> > with more than 5,000 edits, possibly fewer. I have no doubt that you
>> > intend to take special care to help users with significant
>> > contributions, such as those with a well established contribution
>> > history at this level.
>>
>> Yes, I'll be personally reviewing the renaming list to make sure we
>> can catch any particularly-major issues early.
>>
>> Yours,
>> --
>> James D. Forrester
>> Product Manager, VisualEditor
>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>>
>> [hidden email] | @jdforrester
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

Federico Leva (Nemo)
David Richfield, 30/04/2013 10:50:
> James answered this in his original email:

No, that doesn't answer (see also talk page).

Nemo

>
>> It will now only be possible for accounts to be renamed globally; the RenameUser tool will no longer work on a local basis - since all accounts must be globally unique - therefore it will be withdrawn from bureaucrats' tool sets. It will still be possible for users to ask on Meta for their account to be renamed further, if they do not like their new user name, once this takes place.
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Magnus Manske
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Will the affected users be given a one-time offer to have their accounts
>> renamed, or are they stuck forever with the "~" ones?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 5:01 AM, James Forrester
>> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>>
>>> On 29 April 2013 20:59, Fae <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Thanks James, personally I'm comforted by your prompt reply.
>>>
>>> Happy to help. :-)
>>>
>>>> My intuition is that this would be unlikely to affect any accounts
>>>> with more than 5,000 edits, possibly fewer. I have no doubt that you
>>>> intend to take special care to help users with significant
>>>> contributions, such as those with a well established contribution
>>>> history at this level.
>>>
>>> Yes, I'll be personally reviewing the renaming list to make sure we
>>> can catch any particularly-major issues early.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>> --
>>> James D. Forrester
>>> Product Manager, VisualEditor
>>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>>>
>>> [hidden email] | @jdforrester
>>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

Benjamin Chen
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On 30 Apr, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Magnus Manske <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Will the affected users be given a one-time offer to have their accounts
> renamed, or are they stuck forever with the "~" ones?


Rename is still possible, similar to what we have now, but just on a global level. So no, they are not stuck forever with it, of course.

One thing to note is the technical limitation on # of edits. If account has too many edits, he may not be able to get it renamed further. How will that be managed? I guess James will address this issue, as he said he'll look through the rename list (make a one-time offer etc? ) .


Regards,

Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Benjamin Chen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> ...
> One thing to note is the technical limitation on # of edits. If account has too many edits, he may not be able to get it renamed further.
> ...

It just needs to be done server side, The same way it already is.

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Dan Rosenthal
Global renames will be done by Stewards then, yes?

-Dan

Dan Rosenthal


On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:17 PM, K. Peachey <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Benjamin Chen <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > ...
> > One thing to note is the technical limitation on # of edits. If account
> has too many edits, he may not be able to get it renamed further.
> > ...
>
> It just needs to be done server side, The same way it already is.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

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On 30 April 2013 03:29, James Forrester <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Unfortunately, some accounts are currently not unique across all our
> wikis, but instead clash with other users who have the same account
> name. To make sure that all of these users can use Wikimedia's wikis
> in future, we will be renaming a number of accounts to have "~” and
> the name of their wiki added to the end of their accounts' name. This
> change will take place on or around 27 May. For example, a user called
> “Example” on the Swedish Wiktionary who will be renamed would become
> “Example~svwiktionary”.

I was wondering if this would ever finally happen!

One ide-effect of centralised renaming: a lot less work for individual
projects and a lot less confusion over where and how names can be
used/usurped, in which order, etc...

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James Forrester-4
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On 30 April 2013 01:01, Marco Chiesa <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 4:29 AM, James Forrester
> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, some accounts are currently not unique across all our
>> wikis, but instead clash with other users who have the same account
>> name. To make sure that all of these users can use Wikimedia's wikis
>> in future, we will be renaming a number of accounts to have "~” and
>> the name of their wiki added to the end of their accounts' name. This
>> change will take place on or around 27 May. For example, a user called
>> “Example” on the Swedish Wiktionary who will be renamed would become
>> “Example~svwiktionary”.
>
> Why did you choose to insert the character  "~"? Many keyboards do not have
> such a key.

We picked a character which had very few clashes with the existing set
of account names, but was allowed in account names and distinctive.
Active accounts will be welcome to rename in the 'normal' process if
they do not want to remain at the name to which the script will move
them.

J.
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James Forrester-4
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On 30 April 2013 02:56, Dan Rosenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Global renames will be done by Stewards then, yes?

Yes.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

James Forrester-4
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All,

As an update, I'm afraid to announce that we will have to delay the process
for some time.

As my previous e-mail states, we had intended to start the final renaming
process in the week commencing 27 May. However, given the scale of the
task, it now is clear that this would interfere with the community
elections for the Wikimedia Foundation's Board, FDC and FDC Ombudsperson,
which start on 1 June.

Voters' accounts would get renamed (and then possibly renamed further at
their request), which would mean that the eligible-voter list would be
out-of-date and need a huge amount of manual work by the Election
Committee. As I'm sure you're all aware, the existing duties of the
Committee are already taxing; adding this to their workload at the last
minute would be highly unfair to them, and to the community who will wish
to vote.

Although the finalisation of the Single User Login system is
important, I cannot
let it disrupt the community's voting. Because of this, I have decided to
delay the renaming and the finalisation of SUL. This will not have an
impact on existing features, though it will mean that non-global users may
be unable to use new tools developed between now and finalisations.

Unfortunately, by the time the election is over, I will be focussed
entirely on the wider roll-out of VisualEditor, which will continue for
some time. I therefore intend to re-start the process in August, following
Wikimania. I will let people know the updated schedule closer to the time.

Sorry for the disruption to everyone's plans. If you have any questions,
please do ask.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

Federico Leva (Nemo)
James Forrester, 12/05/2013 19:20:
> Sorry for the disruption to everyone's plans. If you have any questions,
> please do ask.

Will you still make the lists and send out the notifications so that
people can start planning?

Nemo

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James Forrester-5
On 12 May 2013 10:40, Federico Leva (Nemo) <[hidden email]> wrote:

> James Forrester, 12/05/2013 19:20:
>
>  Sorry for the disruption to everyone's plans. If you have any questions,
>> please do ask.
>>
>
> Will you still make the lists and send out the notifications so that
> people can start planning?


Yes.

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[[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]] (speaking purely in a personal
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

Federico Leva (Nemo)
James Forrester, 12/05/2013 19:56:

> On 12 May 2013 10:40, Federico Leva (Nemo) <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> James Forrester, 12/05/2013 19:20:
>>
>>   Sorry for the disruption to everyone's plans. If you have any questions,
>>> please do ask.
>>>
>>
>> Will you still make the lists and send out the notifications so that
>> people can start planning?
>
>
> Yes.

Lovely. This is very good news, many people will be happy. :)

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

Federico Leva (Nemo)
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James Forrester, 12/05/2013 19:56:

>> James Forrester, 12/05/2013 19:20:
>>
>>   Sorry for the disruption to everyone's plans. If you have any questions,
>>> please do ask.
>>>
>>
>> Will you still make the lists and send out the notifications so that
>> people can start planning?
>
>
> Yes.

Any news on the notifications? Giving one or two months to affected
users (from now to August) would be ideal.
(The unifications on login should have improved stats
<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Admin_tools_development/SUL_Audit> but
probably won't help much with the long tail?)

Nemo

P.s.: Non-English languages speakers: we'd use some translations of the
two centralauth-finishglobaliseemail* messages at
<https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&filter=!translated&action=translate&group=ext-centralauth&tux=0#msg_centralauth-finishglobaliseemail_subject>.
If you don't have a translator account you can create one at
<https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:FirstSteps>

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