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Nataliia Tymkiv
Greetings,

The Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee has been joined by two new
members, Masssly and Matanya. They were appointed by the Board Governance
Committee at the recommendation of the current Elections Committee members
following an open call for additional members earlier this year [1].

They have each been appointed for two-year terms, in accordance with the
new setup for the standing Elections Committee. The now 8-member volunteer
committee is tasked by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees to
facilitate the elections for the Board of Trustees and Funds Dissemination
Committee [2].

Additionally, the committee has selected KTC to serve as its chair for the
upcoming year. As we prepare for an upcoming election, we have also changed
the Board Liaison from Dariusz to myself, and asked Tim Moritz Hector from
the Board Governance Committee to serve as an additional advisor to the
committee.

The upcoming process for both the Board and Funds Dissemination Committee
elections will begin soon and run through June. There will be more
information coming from the committee on the timeline and nomination
process in the coming days.

Please join me in welcoming, congratulating, and thanking Massly, Matanya,
KTC and Tim!

Best regards,
antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv

[1]
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-February/086239.html
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee


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Olatunde Isaac
Congratulations to Masssly Matanya and others.

Best,

Isaac
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld from Glo Mobile.

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Greetings,

The Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee has been joined by two new
members, Masssly and Matanya. They were appointed by the Board Governance
Committee at the recommendation of the current Elections Committee members
following an open call for additional members earlier this year [1].

They have each been appointed for two-year terms, in accordance with the
new setup for the standing Elections Committee. The now 8-member volunteer
committee is tasked by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees to
facilitate the elections for the Board of Trustees and Funds Dissemination
Committee [2].

Additionally, the committee has selected KTC to serve as its chair for the
upcoming year. As we prepare for an upcoming election, we have also changed
the Board Liaison from Dariusz to myself, and asked Tim Moritz Hector from
the Board Governance Committee to serve as an additional advisor to the
committee.

The upcoming process for both the Board and Funds Dissemination Committee
elections will begin soon and run through June. There will be more
information coming from the committee on the timeline and nomination
process in the coming days.

Please join me in welcoming, congratulating, and thanking Massly, Matanya,
KTC and Tim!

Best regards,
antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv

[1]
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-February/086239.html
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee


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Moheen Reeyad
Congratulations!

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Kalliope Tsouroupidou
Congrats to both!!

 :)

K.

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Katherine Maher
Congratulations all! Thank you for serving in this important role for our
movement.


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> Congrats to both!!
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> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Moheen Reeyad <[hidden email]>
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> > Congratulations!
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Rogol Domedonfors
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Nataliiya,

Thank you for that information.  It seems that you are happy to introduce
the new members of this Committee to the community under pseudonyms.  I
suggested at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee
back in July 2016 that, considering that this Committee is functioning in
the real world, putting forward real people for real positions on a real
body which is responsible for spending real money, transparency would
benefit from their doing so under their real names.  If a question of
conflict of interest arises, for example, it would be all but impossible to
resolve if the real identity of the individual in question were not
available for scrutiny by the community.

Please publish the real names and a short description of each of the
members of this Committee.

"Rogol"


On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Nataliia Tymkiv <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> The Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee has been joined by two new
> members, Masssly and Matanya. They were appointed by the Board Governance
> Committee at the recommendation of the current Elections Committee members
> following an open call for additional members earlier this year [1].
>
> They have each been appointed for two-year terms, in accordance with the
> new setup for the standing Elections Committee. The now 8-member volunteer
> committee is tasked by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees to
> facilitate the elections for the Board of Trustees and Funds Dissemination
> Committee [2].
>
> Additionally, the committee has selected KTC to serve as its chair for the
> upcoming year. As we prepare for an upcoming election, we have also changed
> the Board Liaison from Dariusz to myself, and asked Tim Moritz Hector from
> the Board Governance Committee to serve as an additional advisor to the
> committee.
>
> The upcoming process for both the Board and Funds Dissemination Committee
> elections will begin soon and run through June. There will be more
> information coming from the committee on the timeline and nomination
> process in the coming days.
>
> Please join me in welcoming, congratulating, and thanking Massly, Matanya,
> KTC and Tim!
>
> Best regards,
> antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv
>
> [1]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> February/086239.html
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> elections_committee
>
>
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> advance!*
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Adrian Raddatz
Still absolutely no need to do this as a requirement.

Adrian Raddatz

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Nataliiya,
>
> Thank you for that information.  It seems that you are happy to introduce
> the new members of this Committee to the community under pseudonyms.  I
> suggested at
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_
> Foundation_elections_committee
> back in July 2016 that, considering that this Committee is functioning in
> the real world, putting forward real people for real positions on a real
> body which is responsible for spending real money, transparency would
> benefit from their doing so under their real names.  If a question of
> conflict of interest arises, for example, it would be all but impossible to
> resolve if the real identity of the individual in question were not
> available for scrutiny by the community.
>
> Please publish the real names and a short description of each of the
> members of this Committee.
>
> "Rogol"
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Nataliia Tymkiv <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > The Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee has been joined by two new
> > members, Masssly and Matanya. They were appointed by the Board Governance
> > Committee at the recommendation of the current Elections Committee
> members
> > following an open call for additional members earlier this year [1].
> >
> > They have each been appointed for two-year terms, in accordance with the
> > new setup for the standing Elections Committee. The now 8-member
> volunteer
> > committee is tasked by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees to
> > facilitate the elections for the Board of Trustees and Funds
> Dissemination
> > Committee [2].
> >
> > Additionally, the committee has selected KTC to serve as its chair for
> the
> > upcoming year. As we prepare for an upcoming election, we have also
> changed
> > the Board Liaison from Dariusz to myself, and asked Tim Moritz Hector
> from
> > the Board Governance Committee to serve as an additional advisor to the
> > committee.
> >
> > The upcoming process for both the Board and Funds Dissemination Committee
> > elections will begin soon and run through June. There will be more
> > information coming from the committee on the timeline and nomination
> > process in the coming days.
> >
> > Please join me in welcoming, congratulating, and thanking Massly,
> Matanya,
> > KTC and Tim!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv
> >
> > [1]
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> > February/086239.html
> > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> > elections_committee
> >
> >
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> > should not feel obligated to answer it during your days off. Thank you in
> > advance!*
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Nataliia Tymkiv
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Hello Rogol, hello all,

Frankly speaking, I have not personally seen your question on the talk page
of the Committee. And my announcement followed the example of the first
announcement from 2016 [1], mentioning the usernames, not names of real
people. So I actually did not know this is even an issue. As Ajraddatz (a
current and former member of the committee) said in response to your talk
page message this is also the norm for most of our community committees [2].

The real names are disclosed to Wikimedia Foundation, as these people must
sign confidentiality agreement for nonpublic information [3]. I do not
think that the disclosure of real names publicly should be a requirement,
though it should be an option. Please consider that: some volunteers may
come from countries where it is a really bad idea to reveal the connection
between your real name and your username.

As for a short description of the members: Wikimedia projects give a rare
possibility to actually see what people do objectively, anybody can see for
themselves what flags these volunteers have and what contributions they
bring.


[1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-July/084787.html
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_
committee#Names_of_committee_members
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Confidentiality_agreement_for_nonpublic_
information

Best regards,
antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv

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On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 11:04 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Nataliiya,
>
> Thank you for that information.  It seems that you are happy to introduce
> the new members of this Committee to the community under pseudonyms.  I
> suggested at
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_
> elections_committee
> back in July 2016 that, considering that this Committee is functioning in
> the real world, putting forward real people for real positions on a real
> body which is responsible for spending real money, transparency would
> benefit from their doing so under their real names.  If a question of
> conflict of interest arises, for example, it would be all but impossible to
> resolve if the real identity of the individual in question were not
> available for scrutiny by the community.
>
> Please publish the real names and a short description of each of the
> members of this Committee.
>
> "Rogol"
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Nataliia Tymkiv <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > The Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee has been joined by two new
> > members, Masssly and Matanya. They were appointed by the Board Governance
> > Committee at the recommendation of the current Elections Committee
> members
> > following an open call for additional members earlier this year [1].
> >
> > They have each been appointed for two-year terms, in accordance with the
> > new setup for the standing Elections Committee. The now 8-member
> volunteer
> > committee is tasked by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees to
> > facilitate the elections for the Board of Trustees and Funds
> Dissemination
> > Committee [2].
> >
> > Additionally, the committee has selected KTC to serve as its chair for
> the
> > upcoming year. As we prepare for an upcoming election, we have also
> changed
> > the Board Liaison from Dariusz to myself, and asked Tim Moritz Hector
> from
> > the Board Governance Committee to serve as an additional advisor to the
> > committee.
> >
> > The upcoming process for both the Board and Funds Dissemination Committee
> > elections will begin soon and run through June. There will be more
> > information coming from the committee on the timeline and nomination
> > process in the coming days.
> >
> > Please join me in welcoming, congratulating, and thanking Massly,
> Matanya,
> > KTC and Tim!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv
> >
> > [1]
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> > February/086239.html
> > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> > elections_committee
> >
> >
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Rogol Domedonfors
Nataliia,

Thanks for your prompt response.  You have made your decision, and if you
have solicited applications for the Committee on the basis that the members
may remain pseudonymous, then I would not expect you to resile from that.
However for the next round perhaps you may wish to reconsider your policy
in the light of two points.

Firstly, I am not suggesting that members of the Committee be required to
link their real names and Wikimedia handles.  I am suggesting that they be
required to act under their real names.  This allows a transparent exercise
of their powers to, for example, bar candidates from standing for
nomination to the Board, and make it clear to the community in general and
the potential candidates in particular, where they might have a conflict of
interest.  If a potential member of the Election Committee canot take the
risk of associating their name with the Foundation for fear of reprisals,
then that is regrettable, but the same would be true if they wished to
stand for the Board.  There must be a balance between transparency and
getting the best candidates and in this case I suggest that you have struck
the balance in the wrong place.

Secondly, it has been claimed by Adrian that there is no need for this, as
he has been involved in government elections and has never been required to
disclose his name to the electors.  I do not know which government he is
referring to, or how important a role he had in the election process, but
in the stable mature democracy where I live, the members of the electoral
commission are publicly named, the returning officers with responsibility
for conducting the elections are named (and are usually elected officials),
the count is conducted in a public forum, often televised, to which the
candidates have right of access, and the returning officers announce the
results in public, explicitly giving their names as part of the
announcement.    I think that you can afford to be as transparent as that.

"Rogol"

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:21 AM, Nataliia Tymkiv <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hello Rogol, hello all,
>
> Frankly speaking, I have not personally seen your question on the talk page
> of the Committee. And my announcement followed the example of the first
> announcement from 2016 [1], mentioning the usernames, not names of real
> people. So I actually did not know this is even an issue. As Ajraddatz (a
> current and former member of the committee) said in response to your talk
> page message this is also the norm for most of our community committees
> [2].
>
> The real names are disclosed to Wikimedia Foundation, as these people must
> sign confidentiality agreement for nonpublic information [3]. I do not
> think that the disclosure of real names publicly should be a requirement,
> though it should be an option. Please consider that: some volunteers may
> come from countries where it is a really bad idea to reveal the connection
> between your real name and your username.
>
> As for a short description of the members: Wikimedia projects give a rare
> possibility to actually see what people do objectively, anybody can see for
> themselves what flags these volunteers have and what contributions they
> bring.
>
>
> [1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-
> July/084787.html
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_
> committee#Names_of_committee_members
> [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Confidentiality_
> agreement_for_nonpublic_
> information
>
> Best regards,
> antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv
>
> *NOTICE: You may have received this message outside of your normal working
> hours/days, as I usually can work more as a volunteer during weekend. You
> should not feel obligated to answer it during your days off. Thank you in
> advance!*
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 11:04 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Nataliiya,
> >
> > Thank you for that information.  It seems that you are happy to introduce
> > the new members of this Committee to the community under pseudonyms.  I
> > suggested at
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_
> > elections_committee
> > back in July 2016 that, considering that this Committee is functioning in
> > the real world, putting forward real people for real positions on a real
> > body which is responsible for spending real money, transparency would
> > benefit from their doing so under their real names.  If a question of
> > conflict of interest arises, for example, it would be all but impossible
> to
> > resolve if the real identity of the individual in question were not
> > available for scrutiny by the community.
> >
> > Please publish the real names and a short description of each of the
> > members of this Committee.
> >
> > "Rogol"
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Nataliia Tymkiv <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > The Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee has been joined by two new
> > > members, Masssly and Matanya. They were appointed by the Board
> Governance
> > > Committee at the recommendation of the current Elections Committee
> > members
> > > following an open call for additional members earlier this year [1].
> > >
> > > They have each been appointed for two-year terms, in accordance with
> the
> > > new setup for the standing Elections Committee. The now 8-member
> > volunteer
> > > committee is tasked by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees to
> > > facilitate the elections for the Board of Trustees and Funds
> > Dissemination
> > > Committee [2].
> > >
> > > Additionally, the committee has selected KTC to serve as its chair for
> > the
> > > upcoming year. As we prepare for an upcoming election, we have also
> > changed
> > > the Board Liaison from Dariusz to myself, and asked Tim Moritz Hector
> > from
> > > the Board Governance Committee to serve as an additional advisor to the
> > > committee.
> > >
> > > The upcoming process for both the Board and Funds Dissemination
> Committee
> > > elections will begin soon and run through June. There will be more
> > > information coming from the committee on the timeline and nomination
> > > process in the coming days.
> > >
> > > Please join me in welcoming, congratulating, and thanking Massly,
> > Matanya,
> > > KTC and Tim!
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> > > February/086239.html
> > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> > > elections_committee
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates regarding the Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee

Adrian Raddatz
I definitely did not have an important role in the process, nor does any
one person on ElectCom have as important a role as the returning officer in
an electoral district. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that your usual
MO of presenting ideas that only you care about is, yet again, unhelpful
here. Members of the ElectCom aren't going to sneak by the requirement to
not run for the board seat because they don't need to reveal their real
name. It's not that any of us are concerned with the potential risks of our
name being associated with the Foundation, it's that there is no need to.
All of our volunteers are able to contribute without revealing their real
name. Even OTRS volunteers can use a pseudonym. Add to that Nataliia's
concern of potential harm of identification in some countries and there is
truly no need for this.

In my opinion, you would have significantly less accountability if ElectCom
members operated under their real names instead of their on-wiki usernames.
At least this way you can look into the people on the Committee. Otherwise,
you'd just have a name, and no other information associated with it.

I won't be responding any more to this pet issue of yours. If there are
actual concerns from the Wikimedia community over this that haven't been
raised in the last decade, then people will raise them. But you're going to
need to do better than suggest some abstract improvement in transparency
and accountability.

Adrian Raddatz

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Nataliia,
>
> Thanks for your prompt response.  You have made your decision, and if you
> have solicited applications for the Committee on the basis that the members
> may remain pseudonymous, then I would not expect you to resile from that.
> However for the next round perhaps you may wish to reconsider your policy
> in the light of two points.
>
> Firstly, I am not suggesting that members of the Committee be required to
> link their real names and Wikimedia handles.  I am suggesting that they be
> required to act under their real names.  This allows a transparent exercise
> of their powers to, for example, bar candidates from standing for
> nomination to the Board, and make it clear to the community in general and
> the potential candidates in particular, where they might have a conflict of
> interest.  If a potential member of the Election Committee canot take the
> risk of associating their name with the Foundation for fear of reprisals,
> then that is regrettable, but the same would be true if they wished to
> stand for the Board.  There must be a balance between transparency and
> getting the best candidates and in this case I suggest that you have struck
> the balance in the wrong place.
>
> Secondly, it has been claimed by Adrian that there is no need for this, as
> he has been involved in government elections and has never been required to
> disclose his name to the electors.  I do not know which government he is
> referring to, or how important a role he had in the election process, but
> in the stable mature democracy where I live, the members of the electoral
> commission are publicly named, the returning officers with responsibility
> for conducting the elections are named (and are usually elected officials),
> the count is conducted in a public forum, often televised, to which the
> candidates have right of access, and the returning officers announce the
> results in public, explicitly giving their names as part of the
> announcement.    I think that you can afford to be as transparent as that.
>
> "Rogol"
>
> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:21 AM, Nataliia Tymkiv <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Rogol, hello all,
> >
> > Frankly speaking, I have not personally seen your question on the talk
> page
> > of the Committee. And my announcement followed the example of the first
> > announcement from 2016 [1], mentioning the usernames, not names of real
> > people. So I actually did not know this is even an issue. As Ajraddatz (a
> > current and former member of the committee) said in response to your talk
> > page message this is also the norm for most of our community committees
> > [2].
> >
> > The real names are disclosed to Wikimedia Foundation, as these people
> must
> > sign confidentiality agreement for nonpublic information [3]. I do not
> > think that the disclosure of real names publicly should be a requirement,
> > though it should be an option. Please consider that: some volunteers may
> > come from countries where it is a really bad idea to reveal the
> connection
> > between your real name and your username.
> >
> > As for a short description of the members: Wikimedia projects give a rare
> > possibility to actually see what people do objectively, anybody can see
> for
> > themselves what flags these volunteers have and what contributions they
> > bring.
> >
> >
> > [1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-
> > July/084787.html
> > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_
> > committee#Names_of_committee_members
> > [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Confidentiality_
> > agreement_for_nonpublic_
> > information
> >
> > Best regards,
> > antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv
> >
> > *NOTICE: You may have received this message outside of your normal
> working
> > hours/days, as I usually can work more as a volunteer during weekend. You
> > should not feel obligated to answer it during your days off. Thank you in
> > advance!*
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 11:04 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <
> [hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Nataliiya,
> > >
> > > Thank you for that information.  It seems that you are happy to
> introduce
> > > the new members of this Committee to the community under pseudonyms.  I
> > > suggested at
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_
> > > elections_committee
> > > back in July 2016 that, considering that this Committee is functioning
> in
> > > the real world, putting forward real people for real positions on a
> real
> > > body which is responsible for spending real money, transparency would
> > > benefit from their doing so under their real names.  If a question of
> > > conflict of interest arises, for example, it would be all but
> impossible
> > to
> > > resolve if the real identity of the individual in question were not
> > > available for scrutiny by the community.
> > >
> > > Please publish the real names and a short description of each of the
> > > members of this Committee.
> > >
> > > "Rogol"
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Nataliia Tymkiv <[hidden email]
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >
> > > > The Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee has been joined by two
> new
> > > > members, Masssly and Matanya. They were appointed by the Board
> > Governance
> > > > Committee at the recommendation of the current Elections Committee
> > > members
> > > > following an open call for additional members earlier this year [1].
> > > >
> > > > They have each been appointed for two-year terms, in accordance with
> > the
> > > > new setup for the standing Elections Committee. The now 8-member
> > > volunteer
> > > > committee is tasked by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees to
> > > > facilitate the elections for the Board of Trustees and Funds
> > > Dissemination
> > > > Committee [2].
> > > >
> > > > Additionally, the committee has selected KTC to serve as its chair
> for
> > > the
> > > > upcoming year. As we prepare for an upcoming election, we have also
> > > changed
> > > > the Board Liaison from Dariusz to myself, and asked Tim Moritz Hector
> > > from
> > > > the Board Governance Committee to serve as an additional advisor to
> the
> > > > committee.
> > > >
> > > > The upcoming process for both the Board and Funds Dissemination
> > Committee
> > > > elections will begin soon and run through June. There will be more
> > > > information coming from the committee on the timeline and nomination
> > > > process in the coming days.
> > > >
> > > > Please join me in welcoming, congratulating, and thanking Massly,
> > > Matanya,
> > > > KTC and Tim!
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-
> > > > February/086239.html
> > > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> > > > elections_committee
> > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates regarding the Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee

Rogol Domedonfors
Adrian

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:08 AM, you wrote:

> [...] your usual
> MO of presenting ideas that only you care about is, yet again, unhelpful
> here.
>

This is both aggressive and fallacious.  At least one other person cared
enough about this issue to post a polite, thoughtful and reasoned comment
(which I appreciate), and that person was the chair of the Board Governance
Committee.  So "only you care" is clearly false.  In general, people raise
issues here for discussion.  If no-one else cares, there will be no
discussion.  If other people do, then there will be discussion.  That's how
this list works.  What is unhelpful is trying to close down discussions
that you are not interested in, or disagree with, by arrogant presumpuous
and unfounded assertions and hostile personalised comments.

"Rogol"
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