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Fæ
Dear Patricio Lorente,

I request that the WMF board take immediate action to publish a
comprehensive account of why you appointed Geshuri as a trustee,
despite his direct involvement and being named as a defendant in the
on-going scandal of anticompetitive agreements at Google, or that
Geshuri chooses to step down from his new position of trust.

This is being separated out as an open letter to the board in a new
discussion thread, to avoid getting confused with other issues. In the
light of recent challenges to the WMF with regard to a dramatic loss
of confidence in their senior management and the politicking behind
the loss of James Heilman as a trustee openly advocating for
transparency to the actions of the WMF board, Geshuri's background
with anticompetitive practices can only damage confidence in the WMF
board with regard to their duty to hold WMF senior management to
account and acting with the highest possible accountability and public
transparency.

Links showing Geshuri's public footprint on this issue:
1. http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/27/2753701/no-poach-scandal-unredacted-steve-jobs-eric-schmidt-paul-otellini
2. http://www.lieffcabraser.com/Antitrust/Apple-Google-Silicon-Valley-No-Cold-Calling.shtml
3. http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/03/23/google-shareholders-miffed-over-wage-fight.htm
4. https://www.quora.com/How-is-Arnnon-Geshuri-current-VP-HR-at-Tesla-and-former-chief-architect-of-staffing-at-Google-good-at-what-he-does

Yours sincerely,
Fae

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Interesting to note Arnnon's role in the Silicon Valley anti-poaching
affair: http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/27/2753701/no-poach-scandal-unredacted-steve-jobs-eric-schmidt-paul-otellini

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Fæ
Dear Patricio Lorente,

You can read a neat summary of Arnnon Geshuri's part in unlawful
activities at Google at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328/Arnnon_Geshuri. This
included Geshuri encouraging other organizations to take part in the
anticompetitive scheme, and firing Google employees who failed to
comply with the unlawful policies he implemented. It was determined in
court that Geshuri's actions damaged the careers of thousands of
people.

There is no doubt that Arnnon Geshuri should resign as a trustee for
the Wikimedia Foundation, and your board made a serious mistake in his
appointment. It is time for an independent governance review to shine
light on these problems.

I look forward to your public statement.

Fae


On 7 January 2016 at 10:38, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Dear Patricio Lorente,
>
> I request that the WMF board take immediate action to publish a
> comprehensive account of why you appointed Geshuri as a trustee,
> despite his direct involvement and being named as a defendant in the
> on-going scandal of anticompetitive agreements at Google, or that
> Geshuri chooses to step down from his new position of trust.
>
> This is being separated out as an open letter to the board in a new
> discussion thread, to avoid getting confused with other issues. In the
> light of recent challenges to the WMF with regard to a dramatic loss
> of confidence in their senior management and the politicking behind
> the loss of James Heilman as a trustee openly advocating for
> transparency to the actions of the WMF board, Geshuri's background
> with anticompetitive practices can only damage confidence in the WMF
> board with regard to their duty to hold WMF senior management to
> account and acting with the highest possible accountability and public
> transparency.
>
> Links showing Geshuri's public footprint on this issue:
> 1. http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/27/2753701/no-poach-scandal-unredacted-steve-jobs-eric-schmidt-paul-otellini
> 2. http://www.lieffcabraser.com/Antitrust/Apple-Google-Silicon-Valley-No-Cold-Calling.shtml
> 3. http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/03/23/google-shareholders-miffed-over-wage-fight.htm
> 4. https://www.quora.com/How-is-Arnnon-Geshuri-current-VP-HR-at-Tesla-and-former-chief-architect-of-staffing-at-Google-good-at-what-he-does
>
> Yours sincerely,
> Fae
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andrew Green <[hidden email]>
> Date: 7 January 2016 at 08:58
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing new Wikimedia Foundation Trustees
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[hidden email]>
>
>
> Interesting to note Arnnon's role in the Silicon Valley anti-poaching
> affair: http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/27/2753701/no-poach-scandal-unredacted-steve-jobs-eric-schmidt-paul-otellini
>
> - Andrew
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

Steinsplitter Wiki
If it is true what is wroten thre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328/Arnnon_Geshuri 

... then i think that Arnnon Geshuri schould be removed from the board ASAP.


With best regards,

> From: [hidden email]
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:31:38 +0000
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google
>
> Dear Patricio Lorente,
>
> You can read a neat summary of Arnnon Geshuri's part in unlawful
> activities at Google at
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328/Arnnon_Geshuri. This
> included Geshuri encouraging other organizations to take part in the
> anticompetitive scheme, and firing Google employees who failed to
> comply with the unlawful policies he implemented. It was determined in
> court that Geshuri's actions damaged the careers of thousands of
> people.
>
> There is no doubt that Arnnon Geshuri should resign as a trustee for
> the Wikimedia Foundation, and your board made a serious mistake in his
> appointment. It is time for an independent governance review to shine
> light on these problems.
>
> I look forward to your public statement.
>
> Fae
>
>
> On 7 January 2016 at 10:38, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Dear Patricio Lorente,
> >
> > I request that the WMF board take immediate action to publish a
> > comprehensive account of why you appointed Geshuri as a trustee,
> > despite his direct involvement and being named as a defendant in the
> > on-going scandal of anticompetitive agreements at Google, or that
> > Geshuri chooses to step down from his new position of trust.
> >
> > This is being separated out as an open letter to the board in a new
> > discussion thread, to avoid getting confused with other issues. In the
> > light of recent challenges to the WMF with regard to a dramatic loss
> > of confidence in their senior management and the politicking behind
> > the loss of James Heilman as a trustee openly advocating for
> > transparency to the actions of the WMF board, Geshuri's background
> > with anticompetitive practices can only damage confidence in the WMF
> > board with regard to their duty to hold WMF senior management to
> > account and acting with the highest possible accountability and public
> > transparency.
> >
> > Links showing Geshuri's public footprint on this issue:
> > 1. http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/27/2753701/no-poach-scandal-unredacted-steve-jobs-eric-schmidt-paul-otellini
> > 2. http://www.lieffcabraser.com/Antitrust/Apple-Google-Silicon-Valley-No-Cold-Calling.shtml
> > 3. http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/03/23/google-shareholders-miffed-over-wage-fight.htm
> > 4. https://www.quora.com/How-is-Arnnon-Geshuri-current-VP-HR-at-Tesla-and-former-chief-architect-of-staffing-at-Google-good-at-what-he-does
> >
> > Yours sincerely,
> > Fae
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Andrew Green <[hidden email]>
> > Date: 7 January 2016 at 08:58
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing new Wikimedia Foundation Trustees
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[hidden email]>
> >
> >
> > Interesting to note Arnnon's role in the Silicon Valley anti-poaching
> > affair: http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/27/2753701/no-poach-scandal-unredacted-steve-jobs-eric-schmidt-paul-otellini
> >
> > - Andrew
> --
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>
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Steinsplitter Wiki
(FYI) ... there is a discussion about Arnnon Geshuri at german signpost talkpage as well https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier#Das_neue_Kuratoriumsmittglied_Arnnon_Geshuri

> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 12:37:41 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google
>
> If it is true what is wroten thre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328/Arnnon_Geshuri 
>
> ... then i think that Arnnon Geshuri schould be removed from the board ASAP.
>
>
> With best regards,
>
> > From: [hidden email]
> > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:31:38 +0000
> > To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google
> >
> > Dear Patricio Lorente,
> >
> > You can read a neat summary of Arnnon Geshuri's part in unlawful
> > activities at Google at
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cullen328/Arnnon_Geshuri. This
> > included Geshuri encouraging other organizations to take part in the
> > anticompetitive scheme, and firing Google employees who failed to
> > comply with the unlawful policies he implemented. It was determined in
> > court that Geshuri's actions damaged the careers of thousands of
> > people.
> >
> > There is no doubt that Arnnon Geshuri should resign as a trustee for
> > the Wikimedia Foundation, and your board made a serious mistake in his
> > appointment. It is time for an independent governance review to shine
> > light on these problems.
> >
> > I look forward to your public statement.
> >
> > Fae
> >
> >
> > On 7 January 2016 at 10:38, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > Dear Patricio Lorente,
> > >
> > > I request that the WMF board take immediate action to publish a
> > > comprehensive account of why you appointed Geshuri as a trustee,
> > > despite his direct involvement and being named as a defendant in the
> > > on-going scandal of anticompetitive agreements at Google, or that
> > > Geshuri chooses to step down from his new position of trust.
> > >
> > > This is being separated out as an open letter to the board in a new
> > > discussion thread, to avoid getting confused with other issues. In the
> > > light of recent challenges to the WMF with regard to a dramatic loss
> > > of confidence in their senior management and the politicking behind
> > > the loss of James Heilman as a trustee openly advocating for
> > > transparency to the actions of the WMF board, Geshuri's background
> > > with anticompetitive practices can only damage confidence in the WMF
> > > board with regard to their duty to hold WMF senior management to
> > > account and acting with the highest possible accountability and public
> > > transparency.
> > >
> > > Links showing Geshuri's public footprint on this issue:
> > > 1. http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/27/2753701/no-poach-scandal-unredacted-steve-jobs-eric-schmidt-paul-otellini
> > > 2. http://www.lieffcabraser.com/Antitrust/Apple-Google-Silicon-Valley-No-Cold-Calling.shtml
> > > 3. http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/03/23/google-shareholders-miffed-over-wage-fight.htm
> > > 4. https://www.quora.com/How-is-Arnnon-Geshuri-current-VP-HR-at-Tesla-and-former-chief-architect-of-staffing-at-Google-good-at-what-he-does
> > >
> > > Yours sincerely,
> > > Fae
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: Andrew Green <[hidden email]>
> > > Date: 7 January 2016 at 08:58
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing new Wikimedia Foundation Trustees
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[hidden email]>
> > >
> > >
> > > Interesting to note Arnnon's role in the Silicon Valley anti-poaching
> > > affair: http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/27/2753701/no-poach-scandal-unredacted-steve-jobs-eric-schmidt-paul-otellini
> > >
> > > - Andrew
> > --
> > [hidden email] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> >
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Andreas Kolbe-2
The resolutions and voting records for these recent appointments have not
yet been posted to https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolutions

Could the page please be brought up to date?
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Andreas Kolbe-2
My apologies. I just noticed the resolutions were in fact added on January
6, 2016.[1]

They are dated December 9, 2015. Both appointments were unanimous.

[1]
https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Resolutions&diff=104423&oldid=104354

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Andreas Kolbe <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The resolutions and voting records for these recent appointments have not
> yet been posted to https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolutions
>
> Could the page please be brought up to date?
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

Kevin Gorman
I'm going to publicly second (or third, or fifth,) the idea that given
Arnnon's role in an incident involving illegal anti-poaching agreements he
should either be removed from the board with haste, or the board should
publish an incredibly good reason as to why he should remain on it.  Keep
in mind that Arnnon wasn't a bystander to this scandal, he actively fired a
recruiter who failed to follow the terms of an illegal anti-poaching
agreement in less than one hour of being informed about it in the first
place.  I like to think of Wikimedia as a relatively humane movement, and
there are very few situations where I'm comfortable with someone who is
that comfortable with the idea of firing an employee (who had presumably
been there for some time) within sixty minutes of learning the employee
didn't follow an illegal agreement having the degree of influence over the
movement that members of the Board of Trustees have.

The Wikimedia movement is not a movement whose direction should be set by
someone with that degree of callousness - and the fact that he happily
participated in the sort of anti-competitive agreement he did, which he
must have known was illegal and which exposed his former employers to not
insignificant liability, brings forth significant doubt as to whether or
not he can reasonably be trusted to carry out his fiduciary duties as a
trustee of the Wikimedia Foundation.

----
Kevin Gorman

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 5:27 AM, Andreas Kolbe <[hidden email]> wrote:

> My apologies. I just noticed the resolutions were in fact added on January
> 6, 2016.[1]
>
> They are dated December 9, 2015. Both appointments were unanimous.
>
> [1]
>
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Resolutions&diff=104423&oldid=104354
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Andreas Kolbe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > The resolutions and voting records for these recent appointments have not
> > yet been posted to https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolutions
> >
> > Could the page please be brought up to date?
> >
> >
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Florence Devouard-3
Le 08/01/16 17:43, Kevin Gorman a écrit :

> I'm going to publicly second (or third, or fifth,) the idea that given
> Arnnon's role in an incident involving illegal anti-poaching agreements he
> should either be removed from the board with haste, or the board should
> publish an incredibly good reason as to why he should remain on it.  Keep
> in mind that Arnnon wasn't a bystander to this scandal, he actively fired a
> recruiter who failed to follow the terms of an illegal anti-poaching
> agreement in less than one hour of being informed about it in the first
> place.  I like to think of Wikimedia as a relatively humane movement, and
> there are very few situations where I'm comfortable with someone who is
> that comfortable with the idea of firing an employee (who had presumably
> been there for some time) within sixty minutes of learning the employee
> didn't follow an illegal agreement having the degree of influence over the
> movement that members of the Board of Trustees have.
>
> The Wikimedia movement is not a movement whose direction should be set by
> someone with that degree of callousness - and the fact that he happily
> participated in the sort of anti-competitive agreement he did, which he
> must have known was illegal and which exposed his former employers to not
> insignificant liability, brings forth significant doubt as to whether or
> not he can reasonably be trusted to carry out his fiduciary duties as a
> trustee of the Wikimedia Foundation.
>
> ----
> Kevin Gorman

We can't be certain that he "happily" participated to that illegal
anti-competitive agreement.

But except for the use of that "happily" word, I fully support Kevin
statement.


Anthere

PS: another bed book :
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Whistleblower_policy


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

Pine W
Upon hearing of Arnnon's history at Google, I confess to being surprised to
the point of a long silence.

If these news reports are true, this is disturbing to say the least.
Whether he was happy about it or not, it appears that he chose to
participate in illegal activity in a prominent role as a "Senior Staffing
Strategist", and described a Google employee's noncompliance with the
illegal scheme as "an error in judgment". I cannot think of an excuse from
an HR professional that I would accept for this.

Dariusz, you said in your statement that was published in the Wikimedia
Blog that WMF "considered dozens of candidates from all over the world,
with not-for-profit and technology experience, and the highest professional
standards.” I would be interested to hear how you reconcile "highest
professional standards" with the prior actions of Arnnon,

Lila, you said that "Kelly and Arnnon bring a special combination of
expertise, integrity, and love for our mission." I am interested in hearing
how you reconcile this assessment with the reports about Arnnon's role in
this illegal scheme at Google.

Looking at the WMF situation more broadly in light of the Board's removal
of James and its surrounding circumstances, I am very disappointed with
what we are learning and I am losing confidence in the governance of WMF. I
am considering strategic options for the community.

Pine
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Dariusz Jemielniak-3
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Dariusz, you said in your statement that was published in the Wikimedia
> Blog that WMF "considered dozens of candidates from all over the world,
> with not-for-profit and technology experience, and the highest professional
> standards.” I would be interested to hear how you reconcile "highest
> professional standards" with the prior actions of Arnnon,
>

I have read about these allegations today, and I am going to follow up on
that. I don't have an opinion formed, as jumping to conclusions is
definitely not just to people. I can assure you that in the whole process
Arnnon's expertise, professionalism, as well as technological connection
were clearly outstanding (but obviously we have not discussed this case).

best,

dariusz





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Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An
Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010

Recenzje
Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
Pacific Standard:
http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
The Wikipedian:
http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge
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Kat Walsh-4
In reply to this post by Pine W
I wish the best for the new board, and for the movement. But I am
troubled to learn of this.

I have always welcomed the appointed seats on the board--in my
experience they brought useful perspectives and experience with their
view from the outside, and I don't expect them all to begin their
tenure as perfect representatives of the priorities and ideals of the
Wikimedia movement as the community-selected members are.

But as they are full voting members, participating in all decisions,
we have always expected them to share key values, and probably the
most important of those is integrity. It's always hard to judge
beforehand; what you really really want to know is how someone would
act in a situation they haven't yet been faced with. But if the news
reports are true (or even just mostly true) about Arnnon Geshuri's
role in the staffing scandal, then this is a disappointing choice by
the WMF board. (Of course, someone who refused to go along with it
probably would not have been visible to the selection
committee--uncompromising ethical standards make it much harder to get
and keep a position of responsibility and expertise in most
organizations; the exceptions exist but less commonly than I'd wish,
and I hope we're among them. But this is probably a systematic failure
in recruiting for us.)

The reason this bothers me so much--enough to break my list
silence--is that I think integrity is the most important and most
difficult thing for a board member of this organization. One of the
key things that distinguishes Wikimedia from other entities is that it
does not take the easy path: it does not sell the privacy of users, it
does not make restricted content deals, it does not believe influence
over content or governance should be able to be bought. If these
decisions were easy and came without tradeoffs or pressures everyone
would make them, but they don't; we see all over that Wikimedia is an
outlier, not the norm, while others make decisions that look good in
the short term but are damaging in the long term. Organizations with
tremendous reach and influence--such as Google and Wikipedia--have a
great responsibility not to take actions that systematically harm the
people that rely on them. To know that someone at such an organization
participated in something unethical in this way does not give me great
confidence in them for leadership in Wikimedia.

I don't envy the current board the problems they are faced with, and
recognize the difficulty in recruiting for it given the level of
commitment involved--and I don't doubt that the new appointee has much
to recommend him. But despite the wealth of experience he would bring,
if the situation is as it seems to be, I cannot be supportive of this
choice.

-Kat

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Upon hearing of Arnnon's history at Google, I confess to being surprised to
> the point of a long silence.
>
> If these news reports are true, this is disturbing to say the least.
> Whether he was happy about it or not, it appears that he chose to
> participate in illegal activity in a prominent role as a "Senior Staffing
> Strategist", and described a Google employee's noncompliance with the
> illegal scheme as "an error in judgment". I cannot think of an excuse from
> an HR professional that I would accept for this.
>
> Dariusz, you said in your statement that was published in the Wikimedia
> Blog that WMF "considered dozens of candidates from all over the world,
> with not-for-profit and technology experience, and the highest professional
> standards.” I would be interested to hear how you reconcile "highest
> professional standards" with the prior actions of Arnnon,
>
> Lila, you said that "Kelly and Arnnon bring a special combination of
> expertise, integrity, and love for our mission." I am interested in hearing
> how you reconcile this assessment with the reports about Arnnon's role in
> this illegal scheme at Google.
>
> Looking at the WMF situation more broadly in light of the Board's removal
> of James and its surrounding circumstances, I am very disappointed with
> what we are learning and I am losing confidence in the governance of WMF. I
> am considering strategic options for the community.
>
> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

Milos Rancic-2
In reply to this post by Dariusz Jemielniak-3
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Dariusz, you said in your statement that was published in the Wikimedia
>> Blog that WMF "considered dozens of candidates from all over the world,
>> with not-for-profit and technology experience, and the highest professional
>> standards.” I would be interested to hear how you reconcile "highest
>> professional standards" with the prior actions of Arnnon,
>
> I have read about these allegations today, and I am going to follow up on
> that. I don't have an opinion formed, as jumping to conclusions is
> definitely not just to people. I can assure you that in the whole process
> Arnnon's expertise, professionalism, as well as technological connection
> were clearly outstanding (but obviously we have not discussed this case).

Sorry for being harsh, but this is very lame.

The process of selecting Board-appointed seats has significant flaw,
which has the basis in very limited number of people involved in that.
This was true during the NomCom existence, as well.

The main problem with involvement of small number of people in the
selection procedure is related to the question how one person would
react if not selected. However, if it's totally open process, with
defined rules, I don't think anyone would feel particularly offended.

I suggest you the next procedure:

1) Define what you want from those four seats. Let's say: Seat one
should deal with HR, seat two should deal with climate change and
animal rights, seat three should deal with... Three of four selected
seats should be women (as we tend to elect men). And so on.

2) Give community a framework to propose, discuss and order the
candidates per seat. Find a curator, who would eliminate inappropriate
candidates (Election Committee?). For example, if you really care
about climate change and animal rights, it would be inappropriate to
select one of the Koch brothers in that place.

3) Invent a fair algorithm how to approach those people, ordered
inside of the list.

And you won't be surprised with issues like this one is.

Optionally, you could have typed his name into Google and browse to
the bottom of the first page. However, that requires super powers and
it's not reasonable to require that from the Board members. Thus,
sticking with the plan described above should work better.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

Kevin Gorman
In reply to this post by Dariusz Jemielniak-3
You'll find the allegations to be true, Dariusz.  Although the link
provided was just to Pando, the internal email from Arnnon was released by
court order - and the entire anti-solicitation fiasco has been fairly
widely covered in the US tech news.  I knew I recognized Arnnon's name from
somewhere, I just didn't remember where immediately. It recently resulted
in a $435 million settlement for employees of the the companies involved
due to lost competitive wages.  There's also an ongoing shareholder lawsuit
about it still.  Besides the news coverage, really, the damning thing is
just the direct emails.  They were unsealed by the judge and a copy is
hosted here:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/1019489/google-email-chain.pdf -
although you can also get a copy from PACER if you want a 100% verified one.

They show in Arnnon's own words that (a) he's willing to participate in an
illegal anti-solicitation agreement, and (b) he's willing to
instantaneously fire any employee who violates that illegal
anti-solicitation agreement.  I know WMF has benefited from it's
relationship with Google historically... but in terms of board members, I
really think we need people who are not just talented but who uphold the
values of the movement - and I don't think Arnnon's behavior as covered in
the media and in the case filings do that.  Also, since we're appointing a
fiduciary, it seems like it might not be the best idea to appoint a
fiduciary whose actions at another company were part of a chain of actions
that resulted in a $435 million settlement.  That's a lot of Jimmyeyes from
the corner of my screen.

I'm additionally kind of worried because... this really should have come up
in background vetting of potential board members.  Since there's
information explicitly about it within the first couple pages of any search
engine, this suggests that the process involved in vetting potential board
members didn't involve digging deep in to their backgrounds at all.  Hiring
for pretty much *any* position should normally involve at least a cursory
scan of the internet to see if they are, say, a wanted fugitive, or
participated in illegal anti-competitive behavior like this in the past to
the point that it resulted in a settlement that large (and that is just for
the employees of the companies involved, several shareholder lawsuits are
ongoing.)

Here's a recent lawsuit from shareholders related to it.  Keep in mind that
these are just allegations by the shareholders, but they're pretty well
supported by the court-ordered released emails -
http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Googpoach.pdf - and a
class action by employees of the companies involved recently settled for
$435 million in lost competitive wages due to the illegal anti-solicitation
agreement.

"Defendant Arnnon Geshuri (“Geshuri”) has served as Google’s Director of
Recruiting at all times relevant to this lawsuit. Defendant Geshuri was
involved in developing and perpetuating the illegal collusive scheme
alleged herein. Defendant Geshuri knowingly, recklessly, or with gross
negligence: (i) oversaw the creation of the protocols governing
anticompetitive hiring agreements between Google and other companies; (ii)
caused or allowed Google to enter into such illegal anticompetitive
agreements; (iii) allowed Defendants Page, Brin, and Schmidt to dominate
and control the Google Board of Directors with little or no effective
oversight; and (iv) failed to implement adequate internal controls to
ensure that Google complied with federal laws and regulations"

Even though those are allegations from an unsettled shareholder lawsuit,
since the employee class action was settled for $435m and there are
extensive details of what went on in the settement documents, I'd give that
paragraph a bit more credence than I would a paragraph from an average
unsettled lawsuit.  I'm sure that Arnnon is personally skilled, I just
really don't feel that his behavior as described in the settled class
action/documents related to it/the general news media is in line with the
values of the Wikimedia movement.

Best,
Kevin Gorman

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Dariusz, you said in your statement that was published in the Wikimedia
> > Blog that WMF "considered dozens of candidates from all over the world,
> > with not-for-profit and technology experience, and the highest
> professional
> > standards.” I would be interested to hear how you reconcile "highest
> > professional standards" with the prior actions of Arnnon,
> >
>
> I have read about these allegations today, and I am going to follow up on
> that. I don't have an opinion formed, as jumping to conclusions is
> definitely not just to people. I can assure you that in the whole process
> Arnnon's expertise, professionalism, as well as technological connection
> were clearly outstanding (but obviously we have not discussed this case).
>
> best,
>
> dariusz
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> __________________________
> prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak
> kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
> i grupy badawczej NeRDS
> Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
> http://n <http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl/>wrds.kozminski.edu.pl
>
> członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk
> członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW
>
> Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An
> Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
> autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
>
> Recenzje
> Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
> Pacific Standard:
> http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
> Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
> The Wikipedian:
> http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

Todd Allen
Now this is something that's worthy of being dismissed (involuntarily, if
necessary) from the WMF board. This individual clearly does not meet our
community values of transparency and honesty, or at least such is in
serious question.

Is the Board considering doing so, or reading this at all? It's really time
to open up, not close the ranks.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Kevin Gorman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> You'll find the allegations to be true, Dariusz.  Although the link
> provided was just to Pando, the internal email from Arnnon was released by
> court order - and the entire anti-solicitation fiasco has been fairly
> widely covered in the US tech news.  I knew I recognized Arnnon's name from
> somewhere, I just didn't remember where immediately. It recently resulted
> in a $435 million settlement for employees of the the companies involved
> due to lost competitive wages.  There's also an ongoing shareholder lawsuit
> about it still.  Besides the news coverage, really, the damning thing is
> just the direct emails.  They were unsealed by the judge and a copy is
> hosted here:
> https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/1019489/google-email-chain.pdf
> -
> although you can also get a copy from PACER if you want a 100% verified
> one.
>
> They show in Arnnon's own words that (a) he's willing to participate in an
> illegal anti-solicitation agreement, and (b) he's willing to
> instantaneously fire any employee who violates that illegal
> anti-solicitation agreement.  I know WMF has benefited from it's
> relationship with Google historically... but in terms of board members, I
> really think we need people who are not just talented but who uphold the
> values of the movement - and I don't think Arnnon's behavior as covered in
> the media and in the case filings do that.  Also, since we're appointing a
> fiduciary, it seems like it might not be the best idea to appoint a
> fiduciary whose actions at another company were part of a chain of actions
> that resulted in a $435 million settlement.  That's a lot of Jimmyeyes from
> the corner of my screen.
>
> I'm additionally kind of worried because... this really should have come up
> in background vetting of potential board members.  Since there's
> information explicitly about it within the first couple pages of any search
> engine, this suggests that the process involved in vetting potential board
> members didn't involve digging deep in to their backgrounds at all.  Hiring
> for pretty much *any* position should normally involve at least a cursory
> scan of the internet to see if they are, say, a wanted fugitive, or
> participated in illegal anti-competitive behavior like this in the past to
> the point that it resulted in a settlement that large (and that is just for
> the employees of the companies involved, several shareholder lawsuits are
> ongoing.)
>
> Here's a recent lawsuit from shareholders related to it.  Keep in mind that
> these are just allegations by the shareholders, but they're pretty well
> supported by the court-ordered released emails -
> http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Googpoach.pdf - and
> a
> class action by employees of the companies involved recently settled for
> $435 million in lost competitive wages due to the illegal anti-solicitation
> agreement.
>
> "Defendant Arnnon Geshuri (“Geshuri”) has served as Google’s Director of
> Recruiting at all times relevant to this lawsuit. Defendant Geshuri was
> involved in developing and perpetuating the illegal collusive scheme
> alleged herein. Defendant Geshuri knowingly, recklessly, or with gross
> negligence: (i) oversaw the creation of the protocols governing
> anticompetitive hiring agreements between Google and other companies; (ii)
> caused or allowed Google to enter into such illegal anticompetitive
> agreements; (iii) allowed Defendants Page, Brin, and Schmidt to dominate
> and control the Google Board of Directors with little or no effective
> oversight; and (iv) failed to implement adequate internal controls to
> ensure that Google complied with federal laws and regulations"
>
> Even though those are allegations from an unsettled shareholder lawsuit,
> since the employee class action was settled for $435m and there are
> extensive details of what went on in the settement documents, I'd give that
> paragraph a bit more credence than I would a paragraph from an average
> unsettled lawsuit.  I'm sure that Arnnon is personally skilled, I just
> really don't feel that his behavior as described in the settled class
> action/documents related to it/the general news media is in line with the
> values of the Wikimedia movement.
>
> Best,
> Kevin Gorman
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Dariusz, you said in your statement that was published in the Wikimedia
> > > Blog that WMF "considered dozens of candidates from all over the world,
> > > with not-for-profit and technology experience, and the highest
> > professional
> > > standards.” I would be interested to hear how you reconcile "highest
> > > professional standards" with the prior actions of Arnnon,
> > >
> >
> > I have read about these allegations today, and I am going to follow up on
> > that. I don't have an opinion formed, as jumping to conclusions is
> > definitely not just to people. I can assure you that in the whole process
> > Arnnon's expertise, professionalism, as well as technological connection
> > were clearly outstanding (but obviously we have not discussed this case).
> >
> > best,
> >
> > dariusz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > __________________________
> > prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak
> > kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
> > i grupy badawczej NeRDS
> > Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
> > http://n <http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl/>wrds.kozminski.edu.pl
> >
> > członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk
> > członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW
> >
> > Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An
> > Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
> > autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
> >
> > Recenzje
> > Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
> > Pacific Standard:
> >
> http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
> > Motherboard:
> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
> > The Wikipedian:
> > http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge
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Lodewijk
Maybe here the best is to wait a bit for the WMF to come with a response,
before piling on - unless you actually have information to contribute.
Pile-on threads seem to lead these days to the original questions being
ignored/forgotten about.

Lodewijk

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 11:33 PM, Todd Allen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Now this is something that's worthy of being dismissed (involuntarily, if
> necessary) from the WMF board. This individual clearly does not meet our
> community values of transparency and honesty, or at least such is in
> serious question.
>
> Is the Board considering doing so, or reading this at all? It's really time
> to open up, not close the ranks.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Kevin Gorman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > You'll find the allegations to be true, Dariusz.  Although the link
> > provided was just to Pando, the internal email from Arnnon was released
> by
> > court order - and the entire anti-solicitation fiasco has been fairly
> > widely covered in the US tech news.  I knew I recognized Arnnon's name
> from
> > somewhere, I just didn't remember where immediately. It recently resulted
> > in a $435 million settlement for employees of the the companies involved
> > due to lost competitive wages.  There's also an ongoing shareholder
> lawsuit
> > about it still.  Besides the news coverage, really, the damning thing is
> > just the direct emails.  They were unsealed by the judge and a copy is
> > hosted here:
> >
> https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/1019489/google-email-chain.pdf
> > -
> > although you can also get a copy from PACER if you want a 100% verified
> > one.
> >
> > They show in Arnnon's own words that (a) he's willing to participate in
> an
> > illegal anti-solicitation agreement, and (b) he's willing to
> > instantaneously fire any employee who violates that illegal
> > anti-solicitation agreement.  I know WMF has benefited from it's
> > relationship with Google historically... but in terms of board members, I
> > really think we need people who are not just talented but who uphold the
> > values of the movement - and I don't think Arnnon's behavior as covered
> in
> > the media and in the case filings do that.  Also, since we're appointing
> a
> > fiduciary, it seems like it might not be the best idea to appoint a
> > fiduciary whose actions at another company were part of a chain of
> actions
> > that resulted in a $435 million settlement.  That's a lot of Jimmyeyes
> from
> > the corner of my screen.
> >
> > I'm additionally kind of worried because... this really should have come
> up
> > in background vetting of potential board members.  Since there's
> > information explicitly about it within the first couple pages of any
> search
> > engine, this suggests that the process involved in vetting potential
> board
> > members didn't involve digging deep in to their backgrounds at all.
> Hiring
> > for pretty much *any* position should normally involve at least a cursory
> > scan of the internet to see if they are, say, a wanted fugitive, or
> > participated in illegal anti-competitive behavior like this in the past
> to
> > the point that it resulted in a settlement that large (and that is just
> for
> > the employees of the companies involved, several shareholder lawsuits are
> > ongoing.)
> >
> > Here's a recent lawsuit from shareholders related to it.  Keep in mind
> that
> > these are just allegations by the shareholders, but they're pretty well
> > supported by the court-ordered released emails -
> > http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Googpoach.pdf -
> and
> > a
> > class action by employees of the companies involved recently settled for
> > $435 million in lost competitive wages due to the illegal
> anti-solicitation
> > agreement.
> >
> > "Defendant Arnnon Geshuri (“Geshuri”) has served as Google’s Director of
> > Recruiting at all times relevant to this lawsuit. Defendant Geshuri was
> > involved in developing and perpetuating the illegal collusive scheme
> > alleged herein. Defendant Geshuri knowingly, recklessly, or with gross
> > negligence: (i) oversaw the creation of the protocols governing
> > anticompetitive hiring agreements between Google and other companies;
> (ii)
> > caused or allowed Google to enter into such illegal anticompetitive
> > agreements; (iii) allowed Defendants Page, Brin, and Schmidt to dominate
> > and control the Google Board of Directors with little or no effective
> > oversight; and (iv) failed to implement adequate internal controls to
> > ensure that Google complied with federal laws and regulations"
> >
> > Even though those are allegations from an unsettled shareholder lawsuit,
> > since the employee class action was settled for $435m and there are
> > extensive details of what went on in the settement documents, I'd give
> that
> > paragraph a bit more credence than I would a paragraph from an average
> > unsettled lawsuit.  I'm sure that Arnnon is personally skilled, I just
> > really don't feel that his behavior as described in the settled class
> > action/documents related to it/the general news media is in line with the
> > values of the Wikimedia movement.
> >
> > Best,
> > Kevin Gorman
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dariusz, you said in your statement that was published in the
> Wikimedia
> > > > Blog that WMF "considered dozens of candidates from all over the
> world,
> > > > with not-for-profit and technology experience, and the highest
> > > professional
> > > > standards.” I would be interested to hear how you reconcile "highest
> > > > professional standards" with the prior actions of Arnnon,
> > > >
> > >
> > > I have read about these allegations today, and I am going to follow up
> on
> > > that. I don't have an opinion formed, as jumping to conclusions is
> > > definitely not just to people. I can assure you that in the whole
> process
> > > Arnnon's expertise, professionalism, as well as technological
> connection
> > > were clearly outstanding (but obviously we have not discussed this
> case).
> > >
> > > best,
> > >
> > > dariusz
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > __________________________
> > > prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak
> > > kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
> > > i grupy badawczej NeRDS
> > > Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
> > > http://n <http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl/>wrds.kozminski.edu.pl
> > >
> > > członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk
> > > członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW
> > >
> > > Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An
> > > Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
> > > autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010
> > >
> > > Recenzje
> > > Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
> > > Pacific Standard:
> > >
> >
> http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
> > > Motherboard:
> > http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
> > > The Wikipedian:
> > >
> http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

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On 8 January 2016 at 22:41, Lodewijk <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Maybe here the best is to wait a bit for the WMF to come with a response,
> before piling on - unless you actually have information to contribute.
> Pile-on threads seem to lead these days to the original questions being
> ignored/forgotten about.
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They've had over 24 hours. How long do you think they need?



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

Lodewijk
I suspect they need a few days, based on past experiences. To dig into the
matter, and prepare an answer relevant parties can agree on.

Lodewijk

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 9:18 AM, geni <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 8 January 2016 at 22:41, Lodewijk <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> > Maybe here the best is to wait a bit for the WMF to come with a response,
> > before piling on - unless you actually have information to contribute.
> > Pile-on threads seem to lead these days to the original questions being
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> They've had over 24 hours. How long do you think they need?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

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> I suspect they need a few days, based on past experiences. To dig into the
> matter, and prepare an answer

Quite, and thanks for saying that Lodewijk.

In my view, the WMF board's top priority has to be the issues about
strategy, leadership and staff morale that are being made public now. It is
in everyone's interests that these issues get sorted out and some key parts
of the solution have to happen in private.

I am sure that the Board have invested a huge amount of time and energy in
these issues already. Unless you have been on the board of an organisation
that's gone through a serious problem it's difficult to appreciate the
pressure this creates. I have, and I would urge everyone to take a deep
breath and  think before emailing. It's worth repeating that Board members
are all volunteers with jobs and families and what's more are trying to
coordinate between three different continents.

In particular hundred-email threads on this list where everyone speculates
and demands answers to their particular questions  (and some people
downright stir the shit) are less than helpful - a board member who spends
5 hours a week on WMF business could easily spend that just reading all the
emails....

Dariusz has said the Board is looking into the situation with Arnnon, which
they were clearly not aware of - that is what needs to happen and yet more
emails on this list won't mean that happens any more quickly.

Regards,

Chris Keating
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

Craig Franklin
Chris,

Thanks for saying that.  I'd also add that while the situation with Arrnon
looks damning on the face of it, I'm a little disappointed that people are
breaking out the pitchforks based purely on media reports, before he has a
chance to present his own side of the story and before Dariusz and the
others can properly look into the matter.  I also think that some of the
more 'excitable' commentary on this list in the past couple of weeks is
more likely to push the trustees away than get us the explanations we
want.  Yes, what is happening is deeply concerning, but lets not all lose
our heads.

Cheers,
Craig

On 9 January 2016 at 19:06, Chris Keating <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> > I suspect they need a few days, based on past experiences. To dig into
> the
> > matter, and prepare an answer
>
> Quite, and thanks for saying that Lodewijk.
>
> In my view, the WMF board's top priority has to be the issues about
> strategy, leadership and staff morale that are being made public now. It is
> in everyone's interests that these issues get sorted out and some key parts
> of the solution have to happen in private.
>
> I am sure that the Board have invested a huge amount of time and energy in
> these issues already. Unless you have been on the board of an organisation
> that's gone through a serious problem it's difficult to appreciate the
> pressure this creates. I have, and I would urge everyone to take a deep
> breath and  think before emailing. It's worth repeating that Board members
> are all volunteers with jobs and families and what's more are trying to
> coordinate between three different continents.
>
> In particular hundred-email threads on this list where everyone speculates
> and demands answers to their particular questions  (and some people
> downright stir the shit) are less than helpful - a board member who spends
> 5 hours a week on WMF business could easily spend that just reading all the
> emails....
>
> Dariusz has said the Board is looking into the situation with Arnnon, which
> they were clearly not aware of - that is what needs to happen and yet more
> emails on this list won't mean that happens any more quickly.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris Keating
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

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On 9 January 2016 at 09:06, Chris Keating <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Dariusz has said the Board is looking into the situation with Arnnon, which
> they were clearly not aware of - that is what needs to happen and yet more
> emails on this list won't mean that happens any more quickly.
...

Correction to "they [the board] were clearly not aware":

Yesterday Jimmy Wales confirmed that:[1]
"I cannot speak for the entire board. As for myself, I was aware (from
googling him and reading news reports) that he had a small part in the
overall situation when he was told by Eric Schmidt that Google had a
policy of not recruiting from Apple, and that a recruiter had done it,
and that the recruiter should be fired, and he agreed to do so."

It is not true that the WMF board were unaware before Arnnon was
offered a seat on the board, when there were trustees that knew he
took part in illegal activities at Google. The first page of results
of a google search shows that Arnnon was a named defence party in the
court case.

Links
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=698802294&oldid=698801520

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