[Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

Siko Bouterse
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:22 AM, Jens Best <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Sorry to interrupted, just a short question.
>
> I'm looking for statistics of how many project ideas/requests were
> submitted in the past. How many volunteers and WMF-employees were and are
> involved in evaluating all these submissions and so on.
>
> Can anybody provide me with a link or any other kind of reliable
> informations on that?
>
> best regards
>
> Jens Best
>


Hi Jens,
Some quick stats:

*PEG handles about 20 proposals per month

*IEG handles about 30 submissions per round (of those requested, we
ultimately funded 7 projects in the latest round)
*2 program officers, 1 grants administrator, and several other staffers are
advising or otherwise touching some portion of these grants to a much
smaller degree. 16 members on each committee (give or take a couple
members) are involved in reviewing proposals.



>
> 2015-01-08 15:13 GMT+01:00 Leigh Thelmadatter <[hidden email]>:
>
> > I dont think the issue is the idea of encouraging projects that increase
> > the participation of women, but rather the message that everything else
> is
> > getting shoved aside.
> >
> > I dont see this as sexism and playing that card is counter-productive.
> >
> > What I suggest is that instead of saying that for three months everyone
> > else is  sidelined, focus on inclusion.  If there arent enough or good
> > enough projects for addressing the number of women participating in
> > Wikipedia, perhaps we should look into why. Perhaps also look into the
> > Foundation directly reaching out to women's groups for collaborative
> > purposes.
> >
> > But the OP does have a point. By telling certain groups "we are not
> > interested in you right now" you are playing an "us-against-them" game
> and
> > quite probably causing more harm than good.
> >
> >
> > Leigh
> >
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 09:03:40 -0500
> > > From: [hidden email]
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender
> > gap project-related decision
> > >
> > > You certainly put a lot of time and effort into being wrong. Any first
> > year
> > > undergraduate writing course will tell you that to make an argument you
> > > need to address the counter-arguments, which you have failed even to
> > > mention. Diversity of contributors isn't a social justice goal, or
> even a
> > > cultural engineering goal. It is aimed squarely at increasing the
> > diversity
> > > and caliber of content. Not only does the small proportion of women
> mean
> > > that millions of them with huge amounts of expertise to contribute are
> > > unheard, it also means that their perspective and approach are
> > > underrepresented or missing entirely.
> > >
> > > And yes, the same is true for others - not only African-Americans, but
> > > Africans. Not only people of "Indo-Asian" descent, but the people of
> the
> > > Indian subcontinent itself. This is not an American movement, yet the
> > > "global south" is deeply under-represented, and the WMF has been
> working
> > > for years to address this issue. This is, again, because diversity of
> > > contributors matters for the breadth and depth of coverage in our
> > projects.
> > > The goal of the Wikimedia movement is the sum of all human knowledge,
> not
> > > the sum of knowledge held by white men between 15 and 35 living in
> Europe
> > > and North America.
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