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Vi to
2017-10-16 18:27 GMT+02:00 Robert Fernandez <[hidden email]>:

> So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite?
>

I wrote a pretty different thing: those who use label as "sexist" anyone
who doesn't *completely* agree with them share a rethorical mean with
sexism.


>
> Some people are allowed to make broad, unsupported, sweeping
> generalizations about the motives and actions of others and that's
> considered just fine,


You're perfectly describing Ori Livneh's statement against me.


2017-10-16 19:11 GMT+02:00 Todd Allen <[hidden email]>:

>
> But I'm unsure how asking the question "Is it wise to offer money in
> exchange for creating large numbers of articles without consideration of
> quality?" or "Will this effort have the intended result?" is sexist. The
> same question would apply if the proposed articles were about Russian
> literature or asteroids. It is not sexist to ask the question just because
> of what the subject happens to be.


\o/

Vito
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

Jean-Philippe Béland
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As far as i know, it is the only project that the initiative Women in red
contribute to, which is the initial subject of this thread.

It certainly is the only project where "Many of the competition articles
will just get tagged CSD - A1, A7, A9 even G2" makes any sense. I am a
sysop on several Wikimedia projects and participate in deletion regularly
and I have no clue what CSD, A1, A7, A9 and even G2 are, which are part of
the initial email of this thread, proving that it applies to only the
English Wikipedia.

So my point stands. This is not a thread about "misogyny and
under-representation of female editors" in general, even if it may
have derived that way. The initial email and the few that followed clearly
show that the authors were talking only about the English Wikipedia and
showed zero interest in including the other projects in a meaningful
general discussion about that issue, if not why using obscure terms that
only pertain to that project?

That being said, I now thank Lodewijk for making it general and inclusive.
It should have been the way this discussion was opened if it was really
meant to be a more generic theme and wanted to be inclusive of the
community as a whole.

JP



On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Robert Fernandez <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Is the English Wikipedia the only Wikipedia which has problems with
> misogyny and under-representation of female editors and articles? I am
> relieved to hear that!
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Jean-Philippe Béland <
> [hidden email]
> > wrote:
>
> > There is so many threads on this list that are only about English
> Wikipedia
> > like it is the centre of the world... Why other communities are able to
> > keep their internal discussions internal and not this community?
> >
> > Jean-Philippe Béland
> > Vice President, Wikimedia Canada
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > The people whose opinion should most matter in determining whether a
> > > comment is sexist are women. Not men, and not non-binary transmasculine
> > > people like myself.
> > >
> > > I support and echo Emily and Molly's earlier comments on this thread:
> > >
> > >
> > > Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of Emily's/Keilana's
> > >> message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points.
> > >>
> > >> I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns that
> > this
> > >> will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for in
> the
> > >> document outlining the competition, and editors involved in this
> project
> > >> will be subject to all expectations of normal editors (including not
> > >> mass-producing poor-quality content).
> > >>
> > >> As for Keegan's original post, there is a major difference between
> > >> describing an email as sexist versus labeling the sender as a sexist.
> I
> > >> believe Keegan meant the former, and I'm not sure anything he's said
> can
> > >> be
> > >> described as an attack on the sender so much as a valid criticism of
> > poor
> > >> wording.
> > >>
> > >> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:44 PM, GorillaWarfare
> > <gorillawarfarewikipedia@
> > >> gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to
> > this
> > >> list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue with
> > her
> > >> email address.
> > >>
> > >> "This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some
> > >> stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to AFD
> > >> everything that comes out of this contest as it is?
> > >>
> > >> I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about women
> > to a
> > >> higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia isn't
> > going
> > >> to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a bunch
> > of
> > >> stubs.
> > >>
> > >> And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women? It's
> > better
> > >> than being seen as being actively hostile to women, which, as I
> > shouldn't
> > >> have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands."
> > >>
> > >> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> > >>
> > >
> > > - Pax aka Funcrunch
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/16/17 10:11 AM, Todd Allen wrote:
> > >
> > >> Is that still going on?
> > >>
> > >> I'm against sexism and all for improving coverage of women on
> Wikipedia.
> > >> I've helped to encourage events toward that end, and they've turned
> out
> > >> pretty well. We now have quite a few more articles, for example, on
> > women
> > >> involved as pioneers in outdoor sports and activities because of them.
> > >>
> > >> But I'm unsure how asking the question "Is it wise to offer money in
> > >> exchange for creating large numbers of articles without consideration
> of
> > >> quality?" or "Will this effort have the intended result?" is sexist.
> The
> > >> same question would apply if the proposed articles were about Russian
> > >> literature or asteroids. It is not sexist to ask the question just
> > because
> > >> of what the subject happens to be.
> > >>
> > >> I think that needs to be discussed, not sidetracked by calling people
> > >> sexists. If people really were making sexist statements, I'd be all
> for
> > >> shutting that crap down. But I've seen not one such statement in this
> > >> thread.
> > >>
> > >> Todd
> > >>
> > >> On Oct 16, 2017 10:28 AM, "Robert Fernandez" <[hidden email]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite?
> > >>>
> > >>> I am fed up with this double standard in the way we talk about these
> > >>> issues.  Some people are allowed to make broad, unsupported, sweeping
> > >>> generalizations about the motives and actions of others and that's
> > >>> considered just fine, but if you call them out in even the gentlest
> > tones
> > >>> it's treated as some horrific personal attack, and censure and
> > apologies
> > >>> are demanded.  We've culturally internalized sexism so much that even
> > the
> > >>> way we talk about sexism is sexist.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Vi to <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But just a note: using the same behavior of phenomena you're trying
> to
> > >>>> contast is, per se, a clear defeat.
> > >>>> To be more clear, blind -because you obviously don't know *nothing*
> > >>>> about
> > >>>> their backgrounds- vilification of other's opinions is,
> incidentally,
> > >>>> one
> > >>>> the of the main instruments of "cultural" sexism.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > > --
> > > Pax Ahimsa Gethen | [hidden email] | http://funcrunch.org |
> Pronouns:
> > > they/them/their
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > Jean-Philippe Béland
> >
> > [image: Wikimedia Canada] Vice-président — Wikimédia Canada
> > <https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?uselang=fr>, chapitre national
> > soutenant Wikipédia
> > Vice president — Wikimedia Canada
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

Vi to
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2017-10-16 20:03 GMT+02:00 Lodewijk <[hidden email]>:


>
>
> While this particular topic seems enwp specific, its theme isn't.


Definitely

The topic is more generic though: should we support projects that are
> considered by some to be a little rough on the edges, or should we only
> pick 'safe' projects that will land well with the community. And how much
> of 'be bold' can be applied to projects that operate at a somewhat larger
> scale.


I think projects with a serious plan to improve contents or expanding
userbase are worth funding. I don't think monetary prizes are the right way
to do it, also I think projects related to contents should focus on quality
rather than quantity, or, at least, they shoul set some decent (and
measurable) quality target.

Vito
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

Jean-Philippe Béland
In reply to this post by Lodewijk
My opinion is that such projects should be supported, we should encourage
'be bold'. That being said, people planning projects at a large scale
should communicate with the concerned communities first. As such, the
concerns raised in this thread for example would have been raised during
the planning phase of that project and hopefully addressed. There is a
place in the application forms for grants for projects that asks to list
"Community Notification". The Grant Committee should look more closely at
that section and ensure that the communities have been notified before
granting any fund.

JP



On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Lodewijk <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> I understand from the original email that the venue was chosen based on the
> fact that it was WMF-funded as a project. I am guessing he's trying to pull
> that leverage.
>
> The topic is more generic though: should we support projects that are
> considered by some to be a little rough on the edges, or should we only
> pick 'safe' projects that will land well with the community. And how much
> of 'be bold' can be applied to projects that operate at a somewhat larger
> scale.
>
> While this particular topic seems enwp specific, its theme isn't.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > There is so many threads on this list that are only about English
> Wikipedia
> > like it is the centre of the world... Why other communities are able to
> > keep their internal discussions internal and not this community?
> >
> > Jean-Philippe Béland
> > Vice President, Wikimedia Canada
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > The people whose opinion should most matter in determining whether a
> > > comment is sexist are women. Not men, and not non-binary transmasculine
> > > people like myself.
> > >
> > > I support and echo Emily and Molly's earlier comments on this thread:
> > >
> > >
> > > Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of Emily's/Keilana's
> > >> message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points.
> > >>
> > >> I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns that
> > this
> > >> will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for in
> the
> > >> document outlining the competition, and editors involved in this
> project
> > >> will be subject to all expectations of normal editors (including not
> > >> mass-producing poor-quality content).
> > >>
> > >> As for Keegan's original post, there is a major difference between
> > >> describing an email as sexist versus labeling the sender as a sexist.
> I
> > >> believe Keegan meant the former, and I'm not sure anything he's said
> can
> > >> be
> > >> described as an attack on the sender so much as a valid criticism of
> > poor
> > >> wording.
> > >>
> > >> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:44 PM, GorillaWarfare
> > <gorillawarfarewikipedia@
> > >> gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to
> > this
> > >> list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue with
> > her
> > >> email address.
> > >>
> > >> "This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some
> > >> stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to AFD
> > >> everything that comes out of this contest as it is?
> > >>
> > >> I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about women
> > to a
> > >> higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia isn't
> > going
> > >> to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a bunch
> > of
> > >> stubs.
> > >>
> > >> And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women? It's
> > better
> > >> than being seen as being actively hostile to women, which, as I
> > shouldn't
> > >> have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands."
> > >>
> > >> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> > >>
> > >
> > > - Pax aka Funcrunch
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/16/17 10:11 AM, Todd Allen wrote:
> > >
> > >> Is that still going on?
> > >>
> > >> I'm against sexism and all for improving coverage of women on
> Wikipedia.
> > >> I've helped to encourage events toward that end, and they've turned
> out
> > >> pretty well. We now have quite a few more articles, for example, on
> > women
> > >> involved as pioneers in outdoor sports and activities because of them.
> > >>
> > >> But I'm unsure how asking the question "Is it wise to offer money in
> > >> exchange for creating large numbers of articles without consideration
> of
> > >> quality?" or "Will this effort have the intended result?" is sexist.
> The
> > >> same question would apply if the proposed articles were about Russian
> > >> literature or asteroids. It is not sexist to ask the question just
> > because
> > >> of what the subject happens to be.
> > >>
> > >> I think that needs to be discussed, not sidetracked by calling people
> > >> sexists. If people really were making sexist statements, I'd be all
> for
> > >> shutting that crap down. But I've seen not one such statement in this
> > >> thread.
> > >>
> > >> Todd
> > >>
> > >> On Oct 16, 2017 10:28 AM, "Robert Fernandez" <[hidden email]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite?
> > >>>
> > >>> I am fed up with this double standard in the way we talk about these
> > >>> issues.  Some people are allowed to make broad, unsupported, sweeping
> > >>> generalizations about the motives and actions of others and that's
> > >>> considered just fine, but if you call them out in even the gentlest
> > tones
> > >>> it's treated as some horrific personal attack, and censure and
> > apologies
> > >>> are demanded.  We've culturally internalized sexism so much that even
> > the
> > >>> way we talk about sexism is sexist.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Vi to <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But just a note: using the same behavior of phenomena you're trying
> to
> > >>>> contast is, per se, a clear defeat.
> > >>>> To be more clear, blind -because you obviously don't know *nothing*
> > >>>> about
> > >>>> their backgrounds- vilification of other's opinions is,
> incidentally,
> > >>>> one
> > >>>> the of the main instruments of "cultural" sexism.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > > --
> > > Pax Ahimsa Gethen | [hidden email] | http://funcrunch.org |
> Pronouns:
> > > they/them/their
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Jean-Philippe Béland
> >
> > [image: Wikimedia Canada] Vice-président — Wikimédia Canada
> > <https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?uselang=fr>, chapitre national
> > soutenant Wikipédia
> > Vice president — Wikimedia Canada
> > <https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?uselang=en>, national chapter
> > supporting Wikipedia
> > 535 avenue Viger Est, Montréal (Québec)  H2L 2P3,[hidden email]
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<https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?uselang=fr>, chapitre national
soutenant Wikipédia
Vice president — Wikimedia Canada
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

Todd Allen
Are those applications published anywhere? I'd be curious to see it. I'm
not really familiar with the grant process.

Todd

On Oct 16, 2017 12:47 PM, "Jean-Philippe Béland" <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> My opinion is that such projects should be supported, we should encourage
> 'be bold'. That being said, people planning projects at a large scale
> should communicate with the concerned communities first. As such, the
> concerns raised in this thread for example would have been raised during
> the planning phase of that project and hopefully addressed. There is a
> place in the application forms for grants for projects that asks to list
> "Community Notification". The Grant Committee should look more closely at
> that section and ensure that the communities have been notified before
> granting any fund.
>
> JP
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Lodewijk <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > I understand from the original email that the venue was chosen based on
> the
> > fact that it was WMF-funded as a project. I am guessing he's trying to
> pull
> > that leverage.
> >
> > The topic is more generic though: should we support projects that are
> > considered by some to be a little rough on the edges, or should we only
> > pick 'safe' projects that will land well with the community. And how much
> > of 'be bold' can be applied to projects that operate at a somewhat larger
> > scale.
> >
> > While this particular topic seems enwp specific, its theme isn't.
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > There is so many threads on this list that are only about English
> > Wikipedia
> > > like it is the centre of the world... Why other communities are able to
> > > keep their internal discussions internal and not this community?
> > >
> > > Jean-Philippe Béland
> > > Vice President, Wikimedia Canada
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen <
> > > [hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The people whose opinion should most matter in determining whether a
> > > > comment is sexist are women. Not men, and not non-binary
> transmasculine
> > > > people like myself.
> > > >
> > > > I support and echo Emily and Molly's earlier comments on this thread:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of Emily's/Keilana's
> > > >> message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points.
> > > >>
> > > >> I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns
> that
> > > this
> > > >> will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for in
> > the
> > > >> document outlining the competition, and editors involved in this
> > project
> > > >> will be subject to all expectations of normal editors (including not
> > > >> mass-producing poor-quality content).
> > > >>
> > > >> As for Keegan's original post, there is a major difference between
> > > >> describing an email as sexist versus labeling the sender as a
> sexist.
> > I
> > > >> believe Keegan meant the former, and I'm not sure anything he's said
> > can
> > > >> be
> > > >> described as an attack on the sender so much as a valid criticism of
> > > poor
> > > >> wording.
> > > >>
> > > >> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:44 PM, GorillaWarfare
> > > <gorillawarfarewikipedia@
> > > >> gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to
> > > this
> > > >> list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue
> with
> > > her
> > > >> email address.
> > > >>
> > > >> "This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some
> > > >> stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to AFD
> > > >> everything that comes out of this contest as it is?
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about
> women
> > > to a
> > > >> higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia isn't
> > > going
> > > >> to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a
> bunch
> > > of
> > > >> stubs.
> > > >>
> > > >> And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women? It's
> > > better
> > > >> than being seen as being actively hostile to women, which, as I
> > > shouldn't
> > > >> have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands."
> > > >>
> > > >> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > - Pax aka Funcrunch
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 10/16/17 10:11 AM, Todd Allen wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Is that still going on?
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm against sexism and all for improving coverage of women on
> > Wikipedia.
> > > >> I've helped to encourage events toward that end, and they've turned
> > out
> > > >> pretty well. We now have quite a few more articles, for example, on
> > > women
> > > >> involved as pioneers in outdoor sports and activities because of
> them.
> > > >>
> > > >> But I'm unsure how asking the question "Is it wise to offer money in
> > > >> exchange for creating large numbers of articles without
> consideration
> > of
> > > >> quality?" or "Will this effort have the intended result?" is sexist.
> > The
> > > >> same question would apply if the proposed articles were about
> Russian
> > > >> literature or asteroids. It is not sexist to ask the question just
> > > because
> > > >> of what the subject happens to be.
> > > >>
> > > >> I think that needs to be discussed, not sidetracked by calling
> people
> > > >> sexists. If people really were making sexist statements, I'd be all
> > for
> > > >> shutting that crap down. But I've seen not one such statement in
> this
> > > >> thread.
> > > >>
> > > >> Todd
> > > >>
> > > >> On Oct 16, 2017 10:28 AM, "Robert Fernandez" <
> [hidden email]>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I am fed up with this double standard in the way we talk about
> these
> > > >>> issues.  Some people are allowed to make broad, unsupported,
> sweeping
> > > >>> generalizations about the motives and actions of others and that's
> > > >>> considered just fine, but if you call them out in even the gentlest
> > > tones
> > > >>> it's treated as some horrific personal attack, and censure and
> > > apologies
> > > >>> are demanded.  We've culturally internalized sexism so much that
> even
> > > the
> > > >>> way we talk about sexism is sexist.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Vi to <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> But just a note: using the same behavior of phenomena you're
> trying
> > to
> > > >>>> contast is, per se, a clear defeat.
> > > >>>> To be more clear, blind -because you obviously don't know
> *nothing*
> > > >>>> about
> > > >>>> their backgrounds- vilification of other's opinions is,
> > incidentally,
> > > >>>> one
> > > >>>> the of the main instruments of "cultural" sexism.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > > --
> > > > Pax Ahimsa Gethen | [hidden email] | http://funcrunch.org |
> > Pronouns:
> > > > they/them/their
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

Jean-Philippe Béland
Yes it's all on Meta. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start.

JP

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:21 PM Todd Allen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Are those applications published anywhere? I'd be curious to see it. I'm
> not really familiar with the grant process.
>
> Todd
>
> On Oct 16, 2017 12:47 PM, "Jean-Philippe Béland" <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > My opinion is that such projects should be supported, we should encourage
> > 'be bold'. That being said, people planning projects at a large scale
> > should communicate with the concerned communities first. As such, the
> > concerns raised in this thread for example would have been raised during
> > the planning phase of that project and hopefully addressed. There is a
> > place in the application forms for grants for projects that asks to list
> > "Community Notification". The Grant Committee should look more closely at
> > that section and ensure that the communities have been notified before
> > granting any fund.
> >
> > JP
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Lodewijk <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I understand from the original email that the venue was chosen based on
> > the
> > > fact that it was WMF-funded as a project. I am guessing he's trying to
> > pull
> > > that leverage.
> > >
> > > The topic is more generic though: should we support projects that are
> > > considered by some to be a little rough on the edges, or should we only
> > > pick 'safe' projects that will land well with the community. And how
> much
> > > of 'be bold' can be applied to projects that operate at a somewhat
> larger
> > > scale.
> > >
> > > While this particular topic seems enwp specific, its theme isn't.
> > >
> > > Lodewijk
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland <
> > > [hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > There is so many threads on this list that are only about English
> > > Wikipedia
> > > > like it is the centre of the world... Why other communities are able
> to
> > > > keep their internal discussions internal and not this community?
> > > >
> > > > Jean-Philippe Béland
> > > > Vice President, Wikimedia Canada
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen <
> > > > [hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The people whose opinion should most matter in determining whether
> a
> > > > > comment is sexist are women. Not men, and not non-binary
> > transmasculine
> > > > > people like myself.
> > > > >
> > > > > I support and echo Emily and Molly's earlier comments on this
> thread:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of
> Emily's/Keilana's
> > > > >> message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns
> > that
> > > > this
> > > > >> will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for
> in
> > > the
> > > > >> document outlining the competition, and editors involved in this
> > > project
> > > > >> will be subject to all expectations of normal editors (including
> not
> > > > >> mass-producing poor-quality content).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> As for Keegan's original post, there is a major difference between
> > > > >> describing an email as sexist versus labeling the sender as a
> > sexist.
> > > I
> > > > >> believe Keegan meant the former, and I'm not sure anything he's
> said
> > > can
> > > > >> be
> > > > >> described as an attack on the sender so much as a valid criticism
> of
> > > > poor
> > > > >> wording.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:44 PM, GorillaWarfare
> > > > <gorillawarfarewikipedia@
> > > > >> gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through
> to
> > > > this
> > > > >> list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue
> > with
> > > > her
> > > > >> email address.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle
> some
> > > > >> stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to
> AFD
> > > > >> everything that comes out of this contest as it is?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about
> > women
> > > > to a
> > > > >> higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia
> isn't
> > > > going
> > > > >> to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a
> > bunch
> > > > of
> > > > >> stubs.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women?
> It's
> > > > better
> > > > >> than being seen as being actively hostile to women, which, as I
> > > > shouldn't
> > > > >> have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > - Pax aka Funcrunch
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/16/17 10:11 AM, Todd Allen wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Is that still going on?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm against sexism and all for improving coverage of women on
> > > Wikipedia.
> > > > >> I've helped to encourage events toward that end, and they've
> turned
> > > out
> > > > >> pretty well. We now have quite a few more articles, for example,
> on
> > > > women
> > > > >> involved as pioneers in outdoor sports and activities because of
> > them.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> But I'm unsure how asking the question "Is it wise to offer money
> in
> > > > >> exchange for creating large numbers of articles without
> > consideration
> > > of
> > > > >> quality?" or "Will this effort have the intended result?" is
> sexist.
> > > The
> > > > >> same question would apply if the proposed articles were about
> > Russian
> > > > >> literature or asteroids. It is not sexist to ask the question just
> > > > because
> > > > >> of what the subject happens to be.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I think that needs to be discussed, not sidetracked by calling
> > people
> > > > >> sexists. If people really were making sexist statements, I'd be
> all
> > > for
> > > > >> shutting that crap down. But I've seen not one such statement in
> > this
> > > > >> thread.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Todd
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Oct 16, 2017 10:28 AM, "Robert Fernandez" <
> > [hidden email]>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I am fed up with this double standard in the way we talk about
> > these
> > > > >>> issues.  Some people are allowed to make broad, unsupported,
> > sweeping
> > > > >>> generalizations about the motives and actions of others and
> that's
> > > > >>> considered just fine, but if you call them out in even the
> gentlest
> > > > tones
> > > > >>> it's treated as some horrific personal attack, and censure and
> > > > apologies
> > > > >>> are demanded.  We've culturally internalized sexism so much that
> > even
> > > > the
> > > > >>> way we talk about sexism is sexist.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Vi to <[hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> But just a note: using the same behavior of phenomena you're
> > trying
> > > to
> > > > >>>> contast is, per se, a clear defeat.
> > > > >>>> To be more clear, blind -because you obviously don't know
> > *nothing*
> > > > >>>> about
> > > > >>>> their backgrounds- vilification of other's opinions is,
> > > incidentally,
> > > > >>>> one
> > > > >>>> the of the main instruments of "cultural" sexism.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > > --
> > > > > Pax Ahimsa Gethen | [hidden email] | http://funcrunch.org |
> > > Pronouns:
> > > > > they/them/their
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Jean-Philippe Béland
> > > >
> > > > [image: Wikimedia Canada] Vice-président — Wikimédia Canada
> > > > <https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?uselang=fr>, chapitre
> > national
> > > > soutenant Wikipédia
> > > > Vice president — Wikimedia Canada
> > > > <https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?uselang=en>, national
> chapter
> > > > supporting Wikipedia
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> > Jean-Philippe Béland
> >
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> > <https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?uselang=fr>, chapitre national
> > soutenant Wikipédia
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> > supporting Wikipedia
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

Sydney Poore
In reply to this post by Todd Allen
Hello Todd,

This particular grant request is here on meta.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Dr._Blofeld/Contest_toolkits_and_prize_funds

The talk page has details about the review by the community committee and
also an explanation of the funding that was actually give.

There is background information about WMF grants here.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Dr._Blofeld/Contest_toolkits_and_prize_funds

And an evaluation of contests in general. It is several years old and
doesn't include some of the newer contest.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Learning_and_Evaluation/Evaluation_reports/2013/On-wiki_writing_contests

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Co-founder Kentucky Wikimedians,
Co-founder WikiWomen User Group,
Co-founder WikiConference North America
Board member of Wiki Project Med Foundation






On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Todd Allen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Are those applications published anywhere? I'd be curious to see it. I'm
> not really familiar with the grant process.
>
> Todd
>
> On Oct 16, 2017 12:47 PM, "Jean-Philippe Béland" <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > My opinion is that such projects should be supported, we should encourage
> > 'be bold'. That being said, people planning projects at a large scale
> > should communicate with the concerned communities first. As such, the
> > concerns raised in this thread for example would have been raised during
> > the planning phase of that project and hopefully addressed. There is a
> > place in the application forms for grants for projects that asks to list
> > "Community Notification". The Grant Committee should look more closely at
> > that section and ensure that the communities have been notified before
> > granting any fund.
> >
> > JP
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Lodewijk <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I understand from the original email that the venue was chosen based on
> > the
> > > fact that it was WMF-funded as a project. I am guessing he's trying to
> > pull
> > > that leverage.
> > >
> > > The topic is more generic though: should we support projects that are
> > > considered by some to be a little rough on the edges, or should we only
> > > pick 'safe' projects that will land well with the community. And how
> much
> > > of 'be bold' can be applied to projects that operate at a somewhat
> larger
> > > scale.
> > >
> > > While this particular topic seems enwp specific, its theme isn't.
> > >
> > > Lodewijk
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland <
> > > [hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > There is so many threads on this list that are only about English
> > > Wikipedia
> > > > like it is the centre of the world... Why other communities are able
> to
> > > > keep their internal discussions internal and not this community?
> > > >
> > > > Jean-Philippe Béland
> > > > Vice President, Wikimedia Canada
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen <
> > > > [hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The people whose opinion should most matter in determining whether
> a
> > > > > comment is sexist are women. Not men, and not non-binary
> > transmasculine
> > > > > people like myself.
> > > > >
> > > > > I support and echo Emily and Molly's earlier comments on this
> thread:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of
> Emily's/Keilana's
> > > > >> message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns
> > that
> > > > this
> > > > >> will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for
> in
> > > the
> > > > >> document outlining the competition, and editors involved in this
> > > project
> > > > >> will be subject to all expectations of normal editors (including
> not
> > > > >> mass-producing poor-quality content).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> As for Keegan's original post, there is a major difference between
> > > > >> describing an email as sexist versus labeling the sender as a
> > sexist.
> > > I
> > > > >> believe Keegan meant the former, and I'm not sure anything he's
> said
> > > can
> > > > >> be
> > > > >> described as an attack on the sender so much as a valid criticism
> of
> > > > poor
> > > > >> wording.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:44 PM, GorillaWarfare
> > > > <gorillawarfarewikipedia@
> > > > >> gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through
> to
> > > > this
> > > > >> list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue
> > with
> > > > her
> > > > >> email address.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle
> some
> > > > >> stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to
> AFD
> > > > >> everything that comes out of this contest as it is?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about
> > women
> > > > to a
> > > > >> higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia
> isn't
> > > > going
> > > > >> to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a
> > bunch
> > > > of
> > > > >> stubs.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women?
> It's
> > > > better
> > > > >> than being seen as being actively hostile to women, which, as I
> > > > shouldn't
> > > > >> have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > - Pax aka Funcrunch
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/16/17 10:11 AM, Todd Allen wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Is that still going on?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm against sexism and all for improving coverage of women on
> > > Wikipedia.
> > > > >> I've helped to encourage events toward that end, and they've
> turned
> > > out
> > > > >> pretty well. We now have quite a few more articles, for example,
> on
> > > > women
> > > > >> involved as pioneers in outdoor sports and activities because of
> > them.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> But I'm unsure how asking the question "Is it wise to offer money
> in
> > > > >> exchange for creating large numbers of articles without
> > consideration
> > > of
> > > > >> quality?" or "Will this effort have the intended result?" is
> sexist.
> > > The
> > > > >> same question would apply if the proposed articles were about
> > Russian
> > > > >> literature or asteroids. It is not sexist to ask the question just
> > > > because
> > > > >> of what the subject happens to be.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I think that needs to be discussed, not sidetracked by calling
> > people
> > > > >> sexists. If people really were making sexist statements, I'd be
> all
> > > for
> > > > >> shutting that crap down. But I've seen not one such statement in
> > this
> > > > >> thread.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Todd
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Oct 16, 2017 10:28 AM, "Robert Fernandez" <
> > [hidden email]>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I am fed up with this double standard in the way we talk about
> > these
> > > > >>> issues.  Some people are allowed to make broad, unsupported,
> > sweeping
> > > > >>> generalizations about the motives and actions of others and
> that's
> > > > >>> considered just fine, but if you call them out in even the
> gentlest
> > > > tones
> > > > >>> it's treated as some horrific personal attack, and censure and
> > > > apologies
> > > > >>> are demanded.  We've culturally internalized sexism so much that
> > even
> > > > the
> > > > >>> way we talk about sexism is sexist.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Vi to <[hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> But just a note: using the same behavior of phenomena you're
> > trying
> > > to
> > > > >>>> contast is, per se, a clear defeat.
> > > > >>>> To be more clear, blind -because you obviously don't know
> > *nothing*
> > > > >>>> about
> > > > >>>> their backgrounds- vilification of other's opinions is,
> > > incidentally,
> > > > >>>> one
> > > > >>>> the of the main instruments of "cultural" sexism.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

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On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> As far as i know, it is the only project that the initiative Women in red
> contribute to, which is the initial subject of this thread.
>

Sidenote: the WikiProject itself does exist on other languages/projects:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q23875215
but this particular contribution drive is only focused on English
Wikipedia. I imagine it would be significantly harder to coordinate an
equivalent endeavor across multiple languages/communities
simultaneously. Perhaps other languages could set up something similar
for themselves?
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