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[Wikimedia-l] what made me happy this week: the offline app

James Salsman-2
I'm skeptical that the online mobile apps are a good use of resources,
with their very meager usage, especially relative to the several
engineers tasked to support them, their questionable accessibility
aspects, declining app store ratings, and other issues involving
content substitution which have recently come up on this list, not to
mention breaking the cross-platform nature of the web. I note that
it's currently impossible to find online mobile app usage statistics
on the analytics we pages, dashboard or reportcard, where they last
measured 0.0006% of pageviews in 2015:

https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportUserAgents.htm

However, I wholeheartedly support this new offline app project, and
hope that it will be the primary focus of the Foundation's app-not-web
efforts going forward:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iESP20HGPiE

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Offline_support

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Offline_support/V1_User_research

Huge thanks to whomever directed this pivot!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] what made me happy this week: the offline app

Nuria Ruiz
> I note that
>it's currently impossible to find online mobile app usage statistics
>on the analytics we pages, dashboard or reportcard, where they last
>measured 0.0006% of pageviews in 2015:

You have data about app pageviews in several places, the most popular tool
to see that kind of data has numbers, for example app pageviews
for en.wikipedia.

The notion of what is an app pageview fluctuates more than what is a web
pageview, but numbers are quite far away from being less than 1%

https://tools.wmflabs.org/siteviews/?platform=mobile-app&source=pageviews&agent=user&range=latest-20&sites=en.wikipedia.org



On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 6:44 AM, James Salsman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'm skeptical that the online mobile apps are a good use of resources,
> with their very meager usage, especially relative to the several
> engineers tasked to support them, their questionable accessibility
> aspects, declining app store ratings, and other issues involving
> content substitution which have recently come up on this list, not to
> mention breaking the cross-platform nature of the web. I note that
> it's currently impossible to find online mobile app usage statistics
> on the analytics we pages, dashboard or reportcard, where they last
> measured 0.0006% of pageviews in 2015:
>
> https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportUserAgents.htm
>
> However, I wholeheartedly support this new offline app project, and
> hope that it will be the primary focus of the Foundation's app-not-web
> efforts going forward:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iESP20HGPiE
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Offline_support
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Offline_
> support/V1_User_research
>
> Huge thanks to whomever directed this pivot!
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] what made me happy this week: the offline app

jmh649
The alpha version of the Wikipedia apps now supports offline ZIMs.
With this ability these apps join the efforts to provide Wikipedia to
the more than 4 billion people who do not have reliable Internet.
Figuring out the impact of offline is much harder than that of online.
A good app is important as offline builds off this base.

James

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Nuria Ruiz <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> I note that
>>it's currently impossible to find online mobile app usage statistics
>>on the analytics we pages, dashboard or reportcard, where they last
>>measured 0.0006% of pageviews in 2015:
>
> You have data about app pageviews in several places, the most popular tool
> to see that kind of data has numbers, for example app pageviews
> for en.wikipedia.
>
> The notion of what is an app pageview fluctuates more than what is a web
> pageview, but numbers are quite far away from being less than 1%
>
> https://tools.wmflabs.org/siteviews/?platform=mobile-app&source=pageviews&agent=user&range=latest-20&sites=en.wikipedia.org
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 6:44 AM, James Salsman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I'm skeptical that the online mobile apps are a good use of resources,
>> with their very meager usage, especially relative to the several
>> engineers tasked to support them, their questionable accessibility
>> aspects, declining app store ratings, and other issues involving
>> content substitution which have recently come up on this list, not to
>> mention breaking the cross-platform nature of the web. I note that
>> it's currently impossible to find online mobile app usage statistics
>> on the analytics we pages, dashboard or reportcard, where they last
>> measured 0.0006% of pageviews in 2015:
>>
>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportUserAgents.htm
>>
>> However, I wholeheartedly support this new offline app project, and
>> hope that it will be the primary focus of the Foundation's app-not-web
>> efforts going forward:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iESP20HGPiE
>>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Offline_support
>>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Offline_
>> support/V1_User_research
>>
>> Huge thanks to whomever directed this pivot!
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] what made me happy this week: the offline app

Legoktm
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On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Nuria Ruiz <[hidden email]> wrote:
> You have data about app pageviews in several places, the most popular tool
> to see that kind of data has numbers, for example app pageviews
> for en.wikipedia.
>
> The notion of what is an app pageview fluctuates more than what is a web
> pageview, but numbers are quite far away from being less than 1%
>
> https://tools.wmflabs.org/siteviews/?platform=mobile-app&source=pageviews&agent=user&range=latest-20&sites=en.wikipedia.org

Using the tool you linked, I selected "All projects", and then divided
the number of mobile app views by the total views to get: around 1.5%.
Is that figure accurate for the amount of page views coming from
mobile apps?

-- Legoktm

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] what made me happy this week: the offline app

James Salsman-2
Yes, mobile app page views are much closer to 1.5% than 0.0006%, my
mistake, I used the WAP row with 116,000 page views in 2015 instead of
the 784,000,000 pageviews of the mobile app.

I caught the error after pressing "Send", but I decided that it didn't
need to be corrected, given that the Strategic Direction document
still says, "in the next 15 years, the languages that will be the most
spoken are primarily those that currently lack good content and strong
Wikimedia communities," citing a table which predicts the most widely
spoken languages in 2050, which in turn cites a report which says
nothing about 2050, but does say, "Mandarin is the most spoken
language globally."

Mandarin is not the most widely spoken language:
https://assets.weforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/1510B15-languages-most-speakers-english-chinese-chart.png

And it's growing much more slowly than English is:
https://revolutioninlearning.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/14j3i4hyjvi88-0p0ofe-english-speakers-learners-1.jpg

I would have corrected the error promptly if there was evidence that
respect for the truth was more highly regarded.


On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Legoktm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Nuria Ruiz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> You have data about app pageviews in several places, the most popular tool
>> to see that kind of data has numbers, for example app pageviews
>> for en.wikipedia.
>>
>> The notion of what is an app pageview fluctuates more than what is a web
>> pageview, but numbers are quite far away from being less than 1%
>>
>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/siteviews/?platform=mobile-app&source=pageviews&agent=user&range=latest-20&sites=en.wikipedia.org
>
> Using the tool you linked, I selected "All projects", and then divided
> the number of mobile app views by the total views to get: around 1.5%.
> Is that figure accurate for the amount of page views coming from
> mobile apps?
>
> -- Legoktm
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] what made me happy this week: the offline app

Lodewijk
Hey James,

I'm glad to see that something made you happy this week.

I'd like to note that the whole idea of 'what made me happy this week' is
to also have some positive conversations about things that excite us. Which
kind of becomes moot when you start the message with complaints of what you
don't like (which then takes over the whole message).

I hope you can next time focus on the positive component, and restrain
yourself from sharing all the things you don't like - at least from threads
that start with "what made me happy this week" :)

Thank you,
Lodewijk

On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 2:45 AM, James Salsman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yes, mobile app page views are much closer to 1.5% than 0.0006%, my
> mistake, I used the WAP row with 116,000 page views in 2015 instead of
> the 784,000,000 pageviews of the mobile app.
>
> I caught the error after pressing "Send", but I decided that it didn't
> need to be corrected, given that the Strategic Direction document
> still says, "in the next 15 years, the languages that will be the most
> spoken are primarily those that currently lack good content and strong
> Wikimedia communities," citing a table which predicts the most widely
> spoken languages in 2050, which in turn cites a report which says
> nothing about 2050, but does say, "Mandarin is the most spoken
> language globally."
>
> Mandarin is not the most widely spoken language:
> https://assets.weforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/
> 1510B15-languages-most-speakers-english-chinese-chart.png
>
> And it's growing much more slowly than English is:
> https://revolutioninlearning.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/
> 14j3i4hyjvi88-0p0ofe-english-speakers-learners-1.jpg
>
> I would have corrected the error promptly if there was evidence that
> respect for the truth was more highly regarded.
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Legoktm <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Nuria Ruiz <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> You have data about app pageviews in several places, the most popular
> tool
> >> to see that kind of data has numbers, for example app pageviews
> >> for en.wikipedia.
> >>
> >> The notion of what is an app pageview fluctuates more than what is a web
> >> pageview, but numbers are quite far away from being less than 1%
> >>
> >> https://tools.wmflabs.org/siteviews/?platform=mobile-
> app&source=pageviews&agent=user&range=latest-20&sites=en.wikipedia.org
> >
> > Using the tool you linked, I selected "All projects", and then divided
> > the number of mobile app views by the total views to get: around 1.5%.
> > Is that figure accurate for the amount of page views coming from
> > mobile apps?
> >
> > -- Legoktm
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] what made me happy this week: the offline app

James Salsman-2
Good point. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Internet-in-a-Box made me
even happier, and getting to explain to wikipedians-since-2003 in
person that the work they have done is literally equivalent to
thousands of years working on traditional academic literature made me
happier still.

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Lodewijk <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hey James,
>
> I'm glad to see that something made you happy this week.
>
> I'd like to note that the whole idea of 'what made me happy this week' is
> to also have some positive conversations about things that excite us. Which
> kind of becomes moot when you start the message with complaints of what you
> don't like (which then takes over the whole message).
>
> I hope you can next time focus on the positive component, and restrain
> yourself from sharing all the things you don't like - at least from threads
> that start with "what made me happy this week" :)
>
> Thank you,
> Lodewijk
>
> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 2:45 AM, James Salsman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Yes, mobile app page views are much closer to 1.5% than 0.0006%, my
>> mistake, I used the WAP row with 116,000 page views in 2015 instead of
>> the 784,000,000 pageviews of the mobile app.
>>
>> I caught the error after pressing "Send", but I decided that it didn't
>> need to be corrected, given that the Strategic Direction document
>> still says, "in the next 15 years, the languages that will be the most
>> spoken are primarily those that currently lack good content and strong
>> Wikimedia communities," citing a table which predicts the most widely
>> spoken languages in 2050, which in turn cites a report which says
>> nothing about 2050, but does say, "Mandarin is the most spoken
>> language globally."
>>
>> Mandarin is not the most widely spoken language:
>> https://assets.weforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/
>> 1510B15-languages-most-speakers-english-chinese-chart.png
>>
>> And it's growing much more slowly than English is:
>> https://revolutioninlearning.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/
>> 14j3i4hyjvi88-0p0ofe-english-speakers-learners-1.jpg
>>
>> I would have corrected the error promptly if there was evidence that
>> respect for the truth was more highly regarded.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Legoktm <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Nuria Ruiz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> You have data about app pageviews in several places, the most popular
>> tool
>> >> to see that kind of data has numbers, for example app pageviews
>> >> for en.wikipedia.
>> >>
>> >> The notion of what is an app pageview fluctuates more than what is a web
>> >> pageview, but numbers are quite far away from being less than 1%
>> >>
>> >> https://tools.wmflabs.org/siteviews/?platform=mobile-
>> app&source=pageviews&agent=user&range=latest-20&sites=en.wikipedia.org
>> >
>> > Using the tool you linked, I selected "All projects", and then divided
>> > the number of mobile app views by the total views to get: around 1.5%.
>> > Is that figure accurate for the amount of page views coming from
>> > mobile apps?
>> >
>> > -- Legoktm
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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