Wikinews: Video Wikinews 2.0 produces first promo video.

[jason safoutin]

We have updated the Wikinews video with a new theme song here: http://videowikinews.spaces.live.com/ (Updated: 10 minutes before this e-mail was sent :)).

Here is the credit:

Credit for the music goes to '''The Dynamos''', this was from a week-long session that resulted in a CD on March 2, 1997.  The music was recorded in Hart Street Studios, Edinburgh and the credits are as follows:

*Ciaran Bradley: Bass guitar.
*William Cambell: Backing/lead guitar.
*Andy Dunnigan: Lead/backing guitar.
*Gordon Findlay: Drums/percussion.

*Engineer: Roy Aitken
*Produced by: The Dynamos, Roy Aitken, Brian McNeil.
*English Wikinews Username: Brianmc
*Name: Brian McNeil

I want to thank Brian for enabling us to get this set of music. There are many tracks we are able to work from. This is currently our fsecond, but full Promo video.

Jason Safoutin, English Wikinews: DragonFire1024

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[Patrick Mannion]

Strange! A few days ago I was thinking, *sigh* I wish we would have a Video Wikinews and what do you know!

On 4/10/07, jason safoutin <[hidden email]> wrote:

We have updated the Wikinews video with a new theme song here: <a href="http://videowikinews.spaces.live.com/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://videowikinews.spaces.live.com/ (Updated: 10 minutes before this e-mail was sent :)).

Here is the credit:

Credit for the music goes to '''The Dynamos''', this was from a week-long session that resulted in a CD on March 2, 1997.  The music was recorded in Hart Street Studios, Edinburgh and the credits are as follows:

*Ciaran Bradley: Bass guitar.
*William Cambell: Backing/lead guitar.
*Andy Dunnigan: Lead/backing guitar.
*Gordon Findlay: Drums/percussion.

*Engineer: Roy Aitken
*Produced by: The Dynamos, Roy Aitken, Brian McNeil.
*English Wikinews Username: Brianmc
*Name: Brian McNeil

I want to thank Brian for enabling us to get this set of music. There are many tracks we are able to work from. This is currently our fsecond, but full Promo video.

Jason Safoutin, English Wikinews: DragonFire1024

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[Erik Moeller-4]

I only see two gray boxes in Firefox on Ubuntu. What exactly is it and
why is it on Windows Live of all places?

On 4/10/07, jason safoutin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> We have updated the Wikinews video with a new theme song here:
> http://videowikinews.spaces.live.com/ (Updated: 10 minutes
> before this e-mail was sent :)).
>
> Here is the credit:
>
> Credit for the music goes to '''The Dynamos''', this was from a week-long
> session that resulted in a CD on March 2, 1997.  The music was recorded in
> Hart Street Studios, Edinburgh and the credits are as follows:
>
> *Ciaran Bradley: Bass guitar.
> *William Cambell: Backing/lead guitar.
> *Andy Dunnigan: Lead/backing guitar.
> *Gordon Findlay: Drums/percussion.
>
> *Engineer: Roy Aitken
> *Produced by: The Dynamos, Roy Aitken, Brian McNeil.
> *English Wikinews Username: Brianmc
> *Name: Brian McNeil
>
> I want to thank Brian for enabling us to get this set of music. There are
> many tracks we are able to work from. This is currently our fsecond, but
> full Promo video.
>
> Jason Safoutin, English Wikinews: DragonFire1024
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[James Hare]

I don't know. Personally I think YouTube would be a better choice, as people have actually heard of YouTube. Then the promo must be posted on digg, Wikizine; whore it out as much as possible.

On 4/10/07, Erik Moeller <[hidden email]> wrote:

I only see two gray boxes in Firefox on Ubuntu. What exactly is it and
why is it on Windows Live of all places?

On 4/10/07, jason safoutin <[hidden email] > wrote:

> We have updated the Wikinews video with a new theme song here:
> http://videowikinews.spaces.live.com/ (Updated: 10 minutes
> before this e-mail was sent :)).
>
> Here is the credit:
>
> Credit for the music goes to '''The Dynamos''', this was from a week-long
> session that resulted in a CD on March 2, 1997.  The music was recorded in
> Hart Street Studios, Edinburgh and the credits are as follows:
>
> *Ciaran Bradley: Bass guitar.
> *William Cambell: Backing/lead guitar.
> *Andy Dunnigan: Lead/backing guitar.
> *Gordon Findlay: Drums/percussion.
>
> *Engineer: Roy Aitken
> *Produced by: The Dynamos, Roy Aitken, Brian McNeil.
> *English Wikinews Username: Brianmc
> *Name: Brian McNeil
>
> I want to thank Brian for enabling us to get this set of music. There are
> many tracks we are able to work from. This is currently our fsecond, but
> full Promo video.
>
> Jason Safoutin, English Wikinews: DragonFire1024
>
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On 4/10/07, Erik Moeller <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I only see two gray boxes in Firefox on Ubuntu. What exactly is it and
> why is it on Windows Live of all places?

Same (well, Firefox on Fedora). Why not put this in a free format and
put it on Commons?

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[jason safoutin]

We hope to eventually get to those stages aka YouTube and such once a pilot is developed. Erik, check you WN talk page :)

Jason

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I don't know. Personally I think YouTube would be a better choice, as people have actually heard of YouTube. Then the promo must be posted on digg, Wikizine; whore it out as much as possible.

On 4/10/07, Erik Moeller <[hidden email]> wrote:

I only see two gray boxes in Firefox on Ubuntu. What exactly is it and
why is it on Windows Live of all places?

On 4/10/07, jason safoutin <[hidden email] > wrote:

> We have updated the Wikinews video with a new theme song here:
> http://videowikinews.spaces.live.com/ (Updated: 10 minutes
> before this e-mail was sent :)).
>
> Here is the credit:
>
> Credit for the music goes to '''The Dynamos''', this was from a week-long
> session that resulted in a CD on March 2, 1997.  The music was recorded in
> Hart Street Studios, Edinburgh and the credits are as follows:
>
> *Ciaran Bradley: Bass guitar.
> *William Cambell: Backing/lead guitar.
> *Andy Dunnigan: Lead/backing guitar.
> *Gordon Findlay: Drums/percussion.
>
> *Engineer: Roy Aitken
> *Produced by: The Dynamos, Roy Aitken, Brian McNeil.
> *English Wikinews Username: Brianmc
> *Name: Brian McNeil
>
> I want to thank Brian for enabling us to get this set of music. There are
> many tracks we are able to work from. This is currently our fsecond, but
> full Promo video.
>
> Jason Safoutin, English Wikinews: DragonFire1024
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On 11/04/07, James Hare <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I don't know. Personally I think YouTube would be a better choice, as people
> have actually heard of YouTube. Then the promo must be posted on digg,
> Wikizine; whore it out as much as possible.

YouTube would be a little better but not much. It is still proprietory
and advert-laden - I sometimes have problems playing YouTube videos on
my Linux machine.

If we are truly committed to creating free content we need to
distribute it in a free manner in formats and media that are not
unfree. Commons would be the best way to go.

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[James Hare]

We still have to promote them, though. Does YouTube retain copyrights on the videos uploaded to the website?

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On 11/04/07, James Hare <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I don't know. Personally I think YouTube would be a better choice, as people
> have actually heard of YouTube. Then the promo must be posted on digg,
> Wikizine; whore it out as much as possible.

YouTube would be a little better but not much. It is still proprietory
and advert-laden - I sometimes have problems playing YouTube videos on
my Linux machine.

If we are truly committed to creating free content we need to
distribute it in a free manner in formats and media that are not
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[Andrew Lih]

First, kudos for trying to get started with a new initiative for
Wikinews. The multimedia aspect of Wikinews has lots of potential.

However, there are many problems with using MSN Space Live, not least
of which it appears you need Microsoft Windows, Internet Explorer, and
Adobe Flash Player 9 to get it to work. That's a pretty severe
limitation. Microsoft has shown itself to be uncooperative in
supporting multiple platforms and browsers.

We should investigate alternatives immediately and try to migrate away
from this solution. Thanks!

-Andrew

On 4/10/07, jason safoutin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> We have updated the Wikinews video with a new theme song here:
> http://videowikinews.spaces.live.com/ (Updated: 10 minutes
> before this e-mail was sent :)).
>
> Here is the credit:
>
> Credit for the music goes to '''The Dynamos''', this was from a week-long
> session that resulted in a CD on March 2, 1997.  The music was recorded in
> Hart Street Studios, Edinburgh and the credits are as follows:
>
> *Ciaran Bradley: Bass guitar.
> *William Cambell: Backing/lead guitar.
> *Andy Dunnigan: Lead/backing guitar.
> *Gordon Findlay: Drums/percussion.
>
> *Engineer: Roy Aitken
> *Produced by: The Dynamos, Roy Aitken, Brian McNeil.
> *English Wikinews Username: Brianmc
> *Name: Brian McNeil
>
> I want to thank Brian for enabling us to get this set of music. There are
> many tracks we are able to work from. This is currently our fsecond, but
> full Promo video.
>
> Jason Safoutin, English Wikinews: DragonFire1024
>
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> We still have to promote them, though. Does YouTube retain copyrights on the
> videos uploaded to the website?

I assume not. The BBC, for example, has an account and uploads pretty
lengthy clips to YouTube. Perhaps Wikimedia should do the same thing?

Being copyleft, our content can be reused quite freely (including
being posted on YouTube). I simply contest using YouTube/Microsoft
Live or any other such site which uses proprietory software as the
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[jason safoutin]

I am not sure...I rarely use YouTube other than just for watching...

Jason

James Hare <[hidden email]> wrote:

We still have to promote them, though. Does YouTube retain copyrights on the videos uploaded to the website?

On 4/10/07, Oldak Quill <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 11/04/07, James Hare <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I don't know. Personally I think YouTube would be a better choice, as people
> have actually heard of YouTube. Then the promo must be posted on digg,
> Wikizine; whore it out as much as possible.

YouTube would be a little better but not much. It is still proprietory
and advert-laden - I sometimes have problems playing YouTube videos on
my Linux machine.

If we are truly committed to creating free content we need to
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On 11/04/07, Oldak Quill <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 11/04/07, James Hare <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > We still have to promote them, though. Does YouTube retain copyrights on the
> > videos uploaded to the website?
>
> I assume not. The BBC, for example, has an account and uploads pretty
> lengthy clips to YouTube. Perhaps Wikimedia should do the same thing?
>
> Being copyleft, our content can be reused quite freely (including
> being posted on YouTube). I simply contest using YouTube/Microsoft
> Live or any other such site which uses proprietory software as the
> *primary* distributor of our content.

Found the following at http://www.youtube.com/t/terms:

"For clarity, you retain all of your ownership rights in your User
Submissions. However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouTube,
you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free,
sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute,
prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions
in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its
successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and
redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative
works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels.
You also hereby grant each user of the YouTube Website a non-exclusive
license to access your User Submissions through the Website, and to
use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display and
perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality
of the Website and under these Terms of Service. The foregoing license
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> I am not sure...I rarely use YouTube other than just for watching...

What does that have to do with whether we redistribute our content on
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On 4/10/07, Oldak Quill <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 11/04/07, James Hare <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > We still have to promote them, though. Does YouTube retain copyrights on the
> > videos uploaded to the website?
>
> I assume not. The BBC, for example, has an account and uploads pretty
> lengthy clips to YouTube. Perhaps Wikimedia should do the same thing?
>
> Being copyleft, our content can be reused quite freely (including
> being posted on YouTube). I simply contest using YouTube/Microsoft
> Live or any other such site which uses proprietory software as the
> *primary* distributor of our content.

Yep, agreed.

(Also, you can't download the videos from YouTube's site... really annoying.)

-Kat

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It mean I don't know if you can. I will have to research that.

Jason

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On 11/04/07, jason safoutin wrote:
> I am not sure...I rarely use YouTube other than just for watching...

What does that have to do with whether we redistribute our content on
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[jason safoutin]

Sounds a lot like the CC license in a sense. So...Opinions on You Tube? Even if just the 20 second promotion video.

Jason

Oldak Quill <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 11/04/07, Oldak Quill wrote:

> On 11/04/07, James Hare wrote:
> > We still have to promote them, though. Does YouTube retain copyrights on the
> > videos uploaded to the website?
>
> I assume not. The BBC, for example, has an account and uploads pretty
> lengthy clips to YouTube. Perhaps Wikimedia should do the same thing?
>
> Being copyleft, our content can be reused quite freely (including
> being posted on YouTube). I simply contest using YouTube/Microsoft
> Live or any other such site which uses proprietory software as the
> *primary* distributor of our content.

Found the following at http://www.youtube.com/t/terms:

"For clarity, you retain all of your ownership rights in your User
Submissions. However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouTube,
you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free,
sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute,
prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions
in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its
successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and
redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative
works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels.
You also hereby grant each user of the YouTube Website a non-exclusive
license to access your User Submissions through the Website, and to
use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display and
perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality
of the Website and under these Terms of Service. The foregoing license
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[Andrew Lih]

On 4/11/07, Oldak Quill <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 11/04/07, James Hare <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > We still have to promote them, though. Does YouTube retain copyrights on the
> > videos uploaded to the website?
>
> I assume not. The BBC, for example, has an account and uploads pretty
> lengthy clips to YouTube. Perhaps Wikimedia should do the same thing?
>
> Being copyleft, our content can be reused quite freely (including
> being posted on YouTube). I simply contest using YouTube/Microsoft
> Live or any other such site which uses proprietory software as the
> *primary* distributor of our content.

Yes, the copyright terms do not change, you simply give YouTube a
license to host and distribute your video, which is revocable if you
delete the video from YouTube. For "CC" style content that Wikinews
and Wikimedia projects generate, this should be completely compatible.
Details below.

It's important to note it's not either/or with YouTube. It could be
that Commons is the place to seed the video, but that it spreads to
other locations like YouTube, Ourmedia, Revver or other places for
user convenience.

-Andrew (User:Fuzheado)

Excerpt from YouTube terms of service:

For clarity, you retain all of your ownership rights in your User
Submissions. However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouTube,
you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free,
sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute,
prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions
in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its
successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and
redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative
works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels.
You also hereby grant each user of the YouTube Website a non-exclusive
license to access your User Submissions through the Website, and to
use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display and
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of the Website and under these Terms of Service. The foregoing license
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On 4/11/07, Kat Walsh <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 4/10/07, Oldak Quill <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On 11/04/07, James Hare <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > We still have to promote them, though. Does YouTube retain copyrights on the
> > > videos uploaded to the website?
> >
> > I assume not. The BBC, for example, has an account and uploads pretty
> > lengthy clips to YouTube. Perhaps Wikimedia should do the same thing?
> >
> > Being copyleft, our content can be reused quite freely (including
> > being posted on YouTube). I simply contest using YouTube/Microsoft
> > Live or any other such site which uses proprietory software as the
> > *primary* distributor of our content.
>
> Yep, agreed.
>
> (Also, you can't download the videos from YouTube's site... really annoying.)

Not formally, but there are lots of utilities and web sites that assist in this.

-Andrew (User:Fuzheado)

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On 4/10/07, Andrew Lih <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 4/11/07, Kat Walsh <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On 4/10/07, Oldak Quill <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > On 11/04/07, James Hare <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > We still have to promote them, though. Does YouTube retain copyrights on the
> > > > videos uploaded to the website?
> > >
> > > I assume not. The BBC, for example, has an account and uploads pretty
> > > lengthy clips to YouTube. Perhaps Wikimedia should do the same thing?
> > >
> > > Being copyleft, our content can be reused quite freely (including
> > > being posted on YouTube). I simply contest using YouTube/Microsoft
> > > Live or any other such site which uses proprietory software as the
> > > *primary* distributor of our content.
> >
> > Yep, agreed.
> >
> > (Also, you can't download the videos from YouTube's site... really annoying.)
>
> Not formally, but there are lots of utilities and web sites that assist in this.

Which explicitly goes against their Terms of Service, of course. ("We
are doing everything we can to prevent downloads of video files from
the site," says a rep in a CNET interview.)

-Kat

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Then we can just link to a downloadable copy of the video.

On 4/10/07, Kat Walsh <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 4/10/07, Andrew Lih <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 4/11/07, Kat Walsh <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On 4/10/07, Oldak Quill <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > On 11/04/07, James Hare <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > We still have to promote them, though. Does YouTube retain copyrights on the
> > > > videos uploaded to the website?
> > >
> > > I assume not. The BBC, for example, has an account and uploads pretty
> > > lengthy clips to YouTube. Perhaps Wikimedia should do the same thing?
> > >
> > > Being copyleft, our content can be reused quite freely (including
> > > being posted on YouTube). I simply contest using YouTube/Microsoft
> > > Live or any other such site which uses proprietory software as the
> > > *primary* distributor of our content.
> >
> > Yep, agreed.
> >
> > (Also, you can't download the videos from YouTube's site... really annoying.)
>
> Not formally, but there are lots of utilities and web sites that assist in this.

Which explicitly goes against their Terms of Service, of course. ("We
are doing everything we can to prevent downloads of video files from
the site," says a rep in a CNET interview.)

-Kat

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