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Brandon Harris-4

        I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype, v. 0.6.  

                        http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/

        This version has significant changes over 0.5.  The entire undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy.  The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes).

        Links to the source depots are available at:

                        https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework

        This release adds in several major changes:

                * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content
                * Search functionality
                * Watchlist functionality (for testing)
                * A revisit to the design of the edit interface.

        A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:

                        https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014

        As usual, feedback is welcomed here:

                        https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter

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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

Magnus Manske-2
Nice! I like it a lot!

Have you considered a maximum column width to make text more readable on
wide screens? Quick'n'ugly mockup:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23027995/Screen%20Shot%202014-07-14%20at%2009.24.21.png



On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:03 AM, Brandon Harris <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>
>         I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
> v. 0.6.
>
>                         http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
>
>         This version has significant changes over 0.5.  The entire
> undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to
> do rapid prototyping within their own copy.  The source code has been
> installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for
> specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves
> (snowflakes).
>
>         Links to the source depots are available at:
>
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
>
>         This release adds in several major changes:
>
>                 * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content
>                 * Search functionality
>                 * Watchlist functionality (for testing)
>                 * A revisit to the design of the edit interface.
>
>         A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
>
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
>
>         As usual, feedback is welcomed here:
>
>                         https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
>
> ---
> Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
>
> Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

Andre Klapper-2
On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 09:26 +0100, Magnus Manske wrote:
> Have you considered a maximum column width to make text more readable on
> wide screens? Quick'n'ugly mockup:
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23027995/Screen%20Shot%202014-07-14%20at%2009.24.21.png

VectorBeta had this for a short time. See
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59815 for records, links,
complaints.

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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

Risker
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Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this.  Since it will be many hours
before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you
know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible.  All
writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text
overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right
of the screen.  Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's
supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be
crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of
whitespace.

I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.

Risker/Anne

On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>         I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
> v. 0.6.
>
>                         http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
>
>         This version has significant changes over 0.5.  The entire
> undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to
> do rapid prototyping within their own copy.  The source code has been
> installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for
> specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves
> (snowflakes).
>
>         Links to the source depots are available at:
>
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
>
>         This release adds in several major changes:
>
>                 * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content
>                 * Search functionality
>                 * Watchlist functionality (for testing)
>                 * A revisit to the design of the edit interface.
>
>         A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
>
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
>
>         As usual, feedback is welcomed here:
>
>                         https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
>
> ---
> Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
>
> Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
>
>
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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

Magnus Manske-2
I think it's because "encoding not declared".


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Risker <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this.  Since it will be many hours
> before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you
> know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible.  All
> writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text
> overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right
> of the screen.  Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's
> supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be
> crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of
> whitespace.
>
> I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> >
> >         I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
> > v. 0.6.
> >
> >                         http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
> >
> >         This version has significant changes over 0.5.  The entire
> > undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to
> > do rapid prototyping within their own copy.  The source code has been
> > installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for
> > specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves
> > (snowflakes).
> >
> >         Links to the source depots are available at:
> >
> >
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
> >
> >         This release adds in several major changes:
> >
> >                 * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content
> >                 * Search functionality
> >                 * Watchlist functionality (for testing)
> >                 * A revisit to the design of the edit interface.
> >
> >         A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
> >
> >
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
> >
> >         As usual, feedback is welcomed here:
> >
> >                         https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
> >
> > ---
> > Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
> >
> > Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
> >
> >
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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

Brandon Harris-4
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        As I've said before, it doesn't work in IE. I've only just gained access to a Windows laptop and I'll see what I can do.


On Jul 14, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Risker <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this.  Since it will be many hours
> before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you
> know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible.  All
> writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text
> overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right
> of the screen.  Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's
> supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be
> crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of
> whitespace.
>
> I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>>        I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
>> v. 0.6.
>>
>>                        http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
>>
>>        This version has significant changes over 0.5.  The entire
>> undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to
>> do rapid prototyping within their own copy.  The source code has been
>> installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for
>> specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves
>> (snowflakes).
>>
>>        Links to the source depots are available at:
>>
>>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
>>
>>        This release adds in several major changes:
>>
>>                * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content
>>                * Search functionality
>>                * Watchlist functionality (for testing)
>>                * A revisit to the design of the edit interface.
>>
>>        A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
>>
>>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
>>
>>        As usual, feedback is welcomed here:
>>
>>                        https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
>>
>> ---
>> Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
>>
>> Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
>>
>>
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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

Jon Robson
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Beautiful! When can we expect to be able to enable this as a beta
feature and try it out on Wikipedia.org?


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Risker <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this.  Since it will be many hours
> before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you
> know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible.  All
> writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text
> overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right
> of the screen.  Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's
> supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be
> crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of
> whitespace.
>
> I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>>         I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
>> v. 0.6.
>>
>>                         http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
>>
>>         This version has significant changes over 0.5.  The entire
>> undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to
>> do rapid prototyping within their own copy.  The source code has been
>> installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for
>> specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves
>> (snowflakes).
>>
>>         Links to the source depots are available at:
>>
>>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
>>
>>         This release adds in several major changes:
>>
>>                 * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content
>>                 * Search functionality
>>                 * Watchlist functionality (for testing)
>>                 * A revisit to the design of the edit interface.
>>
>>         A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
>>
>>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
>>
>>         As usual, feedback is welcomed here:
>>
>>                         https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
>>
>> ---
>> Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
>>
>> Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
>>
>>
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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

Risker
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Just to note, I've sent the screenshot directly to Brandon; I also
forwarded a copy to this list but because of the size the email needs to go
through moderation.

Risker/Anne


On 14 July 2014 08:55, Risker <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this.  Since it will be many
> hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let
> you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible.  All
> writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text
> overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right
> of the screen.  Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's
> supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be
> crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of
> whitespace.
>
> I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>>         I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
>> v. 0.6.
>>
>>                         http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
>>
>>         This version has significant changes over 0.5.  The entire
>> undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to
>> do rapid prototyping within their own copy.  The source code has been
>> installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for
>> specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves
>> (snowflakes).
>>
>>         Links to the source depots are available at:
>>
>>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
>>
>>         This release adds in several major changes:
>>
>>                 * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content
>>                 * Search functionality
>>                 * Watchlist functionality (for testing)
>>                 * A revisit to the design of the edit interface.
>>
>>         A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
>>
>>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
>>
>>         As usual, feedback is welcomed here:
>>
>>                         https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
>>
>> ---
>> Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
>>
>> Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
>>
>>
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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

Trevor Parscal-2
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I want to suggest that we give Brandon a lot of slack here, and be as
supportive as possible.

This is a prototype of a design, which is far better than a mockup of a
design. It is not an actual implementation, but that is totally fine. I
want to see more of this kind of thing, and by being more supportive and
understanding I think we can encourage that.

- Trevor


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Brandon Harris <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>
>         As I've said before, it doesn't work in IE. I've only just gained
> access to a Windows laptop and I'll see what I can do.
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Risker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this.  Since it will be many
> hours
> > before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you
> > know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible.  All
> > writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text
> > overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the
> right
> > of the screen.  Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's
> > supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be
> > crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of
> > whitespace.
> >
> > I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
> >
> > Risker/Anne
> >
> > On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>        I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
> >> v. 0.6.
> >>
> >>                        http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
> >>
> >>        This version has significant changes over 0.5.  The entire
> >> undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone
> to
> >> do rapid prototyping within their own copy.  The source code has been
> >> installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for
> >> specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves
> >> (snowflakes).
> >>
> >>        Links to the source depots are available at:
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
> >>
> >>        This release adds in several major changes:
> >>
> >>                * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content
> >>                * Search functionality
> >>                * Watchlist functionality (for testing)
> >>                * A revisit to the design of the edit interface.
> >>
> >>        A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
> >>
> >>        As usual, feedback is welcomed here:
> >>
> >>                        https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
> >>
> >> Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
> >>
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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

David Gerard-2
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When all the bits on the sides are actually functional *and* it works
in IE, presumably :-)

On 14 July 2014 17:40, Jon Robson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Beautiful! When can we expect to be able to enable this as a beta
> feature and try it out on Wikipedia.org?
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Risker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this.  Since it will be many hours
>> before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you
>> know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible.  All
>> writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text
>> overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right
>> of the screen.  Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's
>> supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be
>> crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of
>> whitespace.
>>
>> I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
>>
>> Risker/Anne
>>
>> On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>         I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
>>> v. 0.6.
>>>
>>>                         http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
>>>
>>>         This version has significant changes over 0.5.  The entire
>>> undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to
>>> do rapid prototyping within their own copy.  The source code has been
>>> installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for
>>> specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves
>>> (snowflakes).
>>>
>>>         Links to the source depots are available at:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
>>>
>>>         This release adds in several major changes:
>>>
>>>                 * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface content
>>>                 * Search functionality
>>>                 * Watchlist functionality (for testing)
>>>                 * A revisit to the design of the edit interface.
>>>
>>>         A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
>>>
>>>         As usual, feedback is welcomed here:
>>>
>>>                         https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
>>>
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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

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I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles.
How are you doing that?


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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

David Gerard-2
Actually one annoyance I just found: I can't right-click on the talk
page link. Is there any good reason to make this a Javascript thing
rather than an ordinary link?

On 14 July 2014 23:55, David Gerard <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> How are you doing that?
>
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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

Amir Sarabadani-2
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This is awesome, thank you. but do you work on i18n? specially for RTL
languages because in some languages (like Hebrew or Persian) it doesn't
work correctly.

Thank you

Best


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Jon Robson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Beautiful! When can we expect to be able to enable this as a beta
> feature and try it out on Wikipedia.org?
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Risker <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this.  Since it will be many
> hours
> > before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you
> > know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible.  All
> > writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text
> > overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the
> right
> > of the screen.  Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's
> > supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be
> > crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of
> > whitespace.
> >
> > I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
> >
> > Risker/Anne
> >
> > On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>         I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype,
> >> v. 0.6.
> >>
> >>                         http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
> >>
> >>         This version has significant changes over 0.5.  The entire
> >> undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone
> to
> >> do rapid prototyping within their own copy.  The source code has been
> >> installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for
> >> specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves
> >> (snowflakes).
> >>
> >>         Links to the source depots are available at:
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
> >>
> >>         This release adds in several major changes:
> >>
> >>                 * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface
> content
> >>                 * Search functionality
> >>                 * Watchlist functionality (for testing)
> >>                 * A revisit to the design of the edit interface.
> >>
> >>         A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
> >>
> >>         As usual, feedback is welcomed here:
> >>
> >>                         https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
> >>
> >> ---
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> >>
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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

Amir E. Aharoni
The source is available now. Amir, could you try setting it up on RTL in
labs?
בתאריך 15 ביול 2014 14:02, "Amir Ladsgroup" <[hidden email]> כתב:

> This is awesome, thank you. but do you work on i18n? specially for RTL
> languages because in some languages (like Hebrew or Persian) it doesn't
> work correctly.
>
> Thank you
>
> Best
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Jon Robson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Beautiful! When can we expect to be able to enable this as a beta
> > feature and try it out on Wikipedia.org?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Risker <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this.  Since it will be many
> > hours
> > > before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you
> > > know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible.  All
> > > writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text
> > > overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the
> > right
> > > of the screen.  Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain
> what's
> > > supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be
> > > crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of
> > > whitespace.
> > >
> > > I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
> > >
> > > Risker/Anne
> > >
> > > On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>         I have uploaded a new version of the Winter
> framework/prototype,
> > >> v. 0.6.
> > >>
> > >>                         http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
> > >>
> > >>         This version has significant changes over 0.5.  The entire
> > >> undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone
> > to
> > >> do rapid prototyping within their own copy.  The source code has been
> > >> installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for
> > >> specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves
> > >> (snowflakes).
> > >>
> > >>         Links to the source depots are available at:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
> > >>
> > >>         This release adds in several major changes:
> > >>
> > >>                 * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface
> > content
> > >>                 * Search functionality
> > >>                 * Watchlist functionality (for testing)
> > >>                 * A revisit to the design of the edit interface.
> > >>
> > >>         A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
> > >>
> > >>         As usual, feedback is welcomed here:
> > >>
> > >>                         https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >> Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
> > >>
> > >> Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

David Cuenca Tudela
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I like it and I hope it gets to the point where it can be deployed as beta.

And that right panel looks a perfect place for users to place some gadgets
of their choice. That would be wonderful!


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Trevor Parscal <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> I want to suggest that we give Brandon a lot of slack here, and be as
> supportive as possible.
>
> This is a prototype of a design, which is far better than a mockup of a
> design. It is not an actual implementation, but that is totally fine. I
> want to see more of this kind of thing, and by being more supportive and
> understanding I think we can encourage that.
>
> - Trevor
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Brandon Harris <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >         As I've said before, it doesn't work in IE. I've only just gained
> > access to a Windows laptop and I'll see what I can do.
> >
> >
> > On Jul 14, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Risker <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this.  Since it will be many
> > hours
> > > before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you
> > > know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible.  All
> > > writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text
> > > overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the
> > right
> > > of the screen.  Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain
> what's
> > > supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be
> > > crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of
> > > whitespace.
> > >
> > > I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
> > >
> > > Risker/Anne
> > >
> > > On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>        I have uploaded a new version of the Winter
> framework/prototype,
> > >> v. 0.6.
> > >>
> > >>                        http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
> > >>
> > >>        This version has significant changes over 0.5.  The entire
> > >> undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone
> > to
> > >> do rapid prototyping within their own copy.  The source code has been
> > >> installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for
> > >> specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves
> > >> (snowflakes).
> > >>
> > >>        Links to the source depots are available at:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
> > >>
> > >>        This release adds in several major changes:
> > >>
> > >>                * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface
> content
> > >>                * Search functionality
> > >>                * Watchlist functionality (for testing)
> > >>                * A revisit to the design of the edit interface.
> > >>
> > >>        A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
> > >>
> > >>        As usual, feedback is welcomed here:
> > >>
> > >>                        https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >> Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
> > >>
> > >> Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

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Yes, I think you may have a point, Trevor.

The one thing that comes to my mind is that all the stuff at the right of
the screen is what might be called the "bottom matter" from articles.
Giving it primary place in an article, well above the majority of content
is...well, suboptimal. It's at the bottom because it's really not all that
important; links to other similar articles and other Wikimedia sites is
(I'm going to be honest here) fluff, not content - especially those massive
templates that take the place of proper categorization.  I get the visual
theory behind having it there; the problem isn't really the format, it's
the quality and relative importance of the information.

Risker




On 14 July 2014 16:06, Trevor Parscal <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I want to suggest that we give Brandon a lot of slack here, and be as
> supportive as possible.
>
> This is a prototype of a design, which is far better than a mockup of a
> design. It is not an actual implementation, but that is totally fine. I
> want to see more of this kind of thing, and by being more supportive and
> understanding I think we can encourage that.
>
> - Trevor
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Brandon Harris <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >         As I've said before, it doesn't work in IE. I've only just gained
> > access to a Windows laptop and I'll see what I can do.
> >
> >
> > On Jul 14, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Risker <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this.  Since it will be many
> > hours
> > > before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you
> > > know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible.  All
> > > writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text
> > > overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the
> > right
> > > of the screen.  Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain
> what's
> > > supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be
> > > crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of
> > > whitespace.
> > >
> > > I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in.
> > >
> > > Risker/Anne
> > >
> > > On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>        I have uploaded a new version of the Winter
> framework/prototype,
> > >> v. 0.6.
> > >>
> > >>                        http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
> > >>
> > >>        This version has significant changes over 0.5.  The entire
> > >> undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone
> > to
> > >> do rapid prototyping within their own copy.  The source code has been
> > >> installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for
> > >> specialized "modules" that change the way the prototype behaves
> > >> (snowflakes).
> > >>
> > >>        Links to the source depots are available at:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework
> > >>
> > >>        This release adds in several major changes:
> > >>
> > >>                * "Right rail" functionality, designed to surface
> content
> > >>                * Search functionality
> > >>                * Watchlist functionality (for testing)
> > >>                * A revisit to the design of the edit interface.
> > >>
> > >>        A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014
> > >>
> > >>        As usual, feedback is welcomed here:
> > >>
> > >>                        https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >> Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation
> > >>
> > >> Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

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On 14 July 2014 21:06, Trevor Parscal <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I want to suggest that we give Brandon a lot of slack here, and be as
> supportive as possible.
> This is a prototype of a design, which is far better than a mockup of a
> design. It is not an actual implementation, but that is totally fine. I
> want to see more of this kind of thing, and by being more supportive and
> understanding I think we can encourage that.



It is in fact gorgeous, and is evidently good enough to get bug reports :-)


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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

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On Jul 14, 2014, at 3:55 PM, David Gerard <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles.
> How are you doing that?

        Through the magic of the new search API.

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Brandon Harris-4
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        I have gotten said screenshot, and it matched exactly what I saw in IE 9 earlier this morning.  The problem was a missing DOCTYPE, which, when added, broke a bunch of other stuff, which I have now fixed and deployed.

        So it should work on IE now just fine.

        I also fixed a metric ton of the issues with the responsive code, so that should be working as well.

        /scramble, scramble, scramble.


On Jul 14, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Risker <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Just to note, I've sent the screenshot directly to Brandon; I also
> forwarded a copy to this list but because of the size the email needs to go
> through moderation.

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Re: Winter, v. 0.6

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On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Brandon Harris <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>
> On Jul 14, 2014, at 3:55 PM, David Gerard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I *love* how typing into the search bar gives you related articles.
> > How are you doing that?
>
>         Through the magic of the new search API.
>
>
Very old API, new backend with better results :)

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