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Lydia Pintscher
Hey :)

Guillaume just reminded me that I have not yet posted this here but
only on the village pump and Signpost. Sorry. I'll fix that now with
this email.

Later today (evening UTC) we'll deploy the first phase of Wikidata on
the English language Wikipedia.  We've already deployed the first
phase on the Hungarian, Hebrew and Italian Wikipedias and things there
went rather smoothly. We hope this is the case here too.

What is going to happen exactly?
* Language links in the sidebar will come from Wikidata if they exist there.
* Existing language links in the wiki text will continue to work and
overwrite links from Wikidata.
* For individual articles language links from Wikidata can be
supressed completely with the noexternallanglinks magic word.
* Changes on Wikidata that relate to articles on this Wikipedia will
show up in Recent Changes if the option is enabled by the user
* At the bottom of the language links list you will see a link to edit
the language links that leads you to the corresponding page on
Wikidata.
* You can see an example of how it works at
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie
* The second phase of Wikidata (which is about Infoboxes was started
on Wikidata but can't yet be used on any Wikipedia. This will follow
later.

Please let me know if you have any questions.


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Re: deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

Lydia Pintscher
Heya :)

We tried to deploy phase 1 on enwp today but ran into issues. We'll
have to reschedule. Currently it looks like we'll do this on
Wednesday.
Sorry folks.


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Re: deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

Lydia Pintscher
2013/2/11 Lydia Pintscher <[hidden email]>:
> Heya :)
>
> We tried to deploy phase 1 on enwp today but ran into issues. We'll
> have to reschedule. Currently it looks like we'll do this on
> Wednesday.
> Sorry folks.

We'll do another attempt later today (probably around 17:00 UTC).


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Re: deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

Lydia Pintscher
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Hey,

There were unfortunately too many other issues unrelated to Wikidata
so we also had to call off this one. Sorry.


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Re: deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

Lydia Pintscher
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Heya :)

Third time's a charm, right? We're live on the English Wikipedia with
phase 1 now  \o/
Details are in this blog post:
http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/13/wikidata-live-on-the-english-wikipedia
An FAQ is being worked on at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Deployment_Questions
Thanks everyone who helped! I'm happy to answer questions at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical).
Please also let me know about any issues there.


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Re: deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

metasj
This is simply wonderful.  Thank you, Lydia and WD team!   Sam.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Lydia Pintscher
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Heya :)
>
> Third time's a charm, right? We're live on the English Wikipedia with
> phase 1 now  \o/
> Details are in this blog post:
> http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/13/wikidata-live-on-the-english-wikipedia
> An FAQ is being worked on at
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Deployment_Questions
> Thanks everyone who helped! I'm happy to answer questions at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical).
> Please also let me know about any issues there.
>
>
> Cheers
> Lydia
>
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> 10963 Berlin
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Re: deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

Steve Bennett-8
Hi Lydia,
  Very cool. You might want to expand on this text: "Language links in
the sidebar will automatically come from Wikidata, once the article is
linked on Wikidata. No special syntax is needed for that."

Speaking as someone who knows nothing about Wikidata, the phrase "once
the article is linked on Wikidata" doesn't mean anything. From a bit
of digging around, I see that someone has to create a Wikidata page
for each biographical subject, but who? Will the bot "MerllwBot" (that
created the Mario Goeppert-Mayer page) eventually create all the
others?

What exactly should editors do at this point? Just sit back and
wikidata goodness will flow? Or take active steps to replace lists of
interwiki links with automatically generated ones?

Steve

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Samuel Klein <[hidden email]> wrote:

> This is simply wonderful.  Thank you, Lydia and WD team!   Sam.
>
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Lydia Pintscher
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Heya :)
>>
>> Third time's a charm, right? We're live on the English Wikipedia with
>> phase 1 now  \o/
>> Details are in this blog post:
>> http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/02/13/wikidata-live-on-the-english-wikipedia
>> An FAQ is being worked on at
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Deployment_Questions
>> Thanks everyone who helped! I'm happy to answer questions at
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical).
>> Please also let me know about any issues there.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Lydia
>>
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>>
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>> 10963 Berlin
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Re: deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

Lydia Pintscher
Hi Steve,

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Steve Bennett <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Lydia,
>   Very cool. You might want to expand on this text: "Language links in
> the sidebar will automatically come from Wikidata, once the article is
> linked on Wikidata. No special syntax is needed for that."

Yes, correct. A page on Wikidata (called item) needs to exist for the
subject and contain a link to the article on the Wikipedia where the
other language links are supposed to show up.
So take for example http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2. If someone writes
a new article about this subject that didn't have one so far then they
need to add the link to the table at the bottom there. Then all the
other links will show up in the sidebar of their article.
I hope that makes it clearer. If not please let me know.

> Speaking as someone who knows nothing about Wikidata, the phrase "once
> the article is linked on Wikidata" doesn't mean anything. From a bit
> of digging around, I see that someone has to create a Wikidata page
> for each biographical subject, but who? Will the bot "MerllwBot" (that
> created the Mario Goeppert-Mayer page) eventually create all the
> others?

It's a mix of bots and humans creating them. At this point my best
guess is that a very large part of pages already have a corresponding
page on Wikidata. But that's just a guess. In total we have 3,985,290
on Wikidata at the moment, and growing.

> What exactly should editors do at this point? Just sit back and
> wikidata goodness will flow? Or take active steps to replace lists of
> interwiki links with automatically generated ones?

That is up to you. If you want you can remove them by hand. Or have
someone run bots to do so. Or just leave things as they are.


Cheers
Lydia

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Re: deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

Katie Chan
On 15/02/2013 11:36, Lydia Pintscher wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Steve Bennett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Speaking as someone who knows nothing about Wikidata, the phrase "once
>> the article is linked on Wikidata" doesn't mean anything. From a bit
>> of digging around, I see that someone has to create a Wikidata page
>> for each biographical subject, but who? Will the bot "MerllwBot" (that
>> created the Mario Goeppert-Mayer page) eventually create all the
>> others?
>
> It's a mix of bots and humans creating them. At this point my best
> guess is that a very large part of pages already have a corresponding
> page on Wikidata. But that's just a guess. In total we have 3,985,290
> on Wikidata at the moment, and growing.

 From my experience, it would appear generally speaking article with
more than 1 or 2 interwiki links will typically already exist on
Wikidata, but not necessarily otherwise.

If there's a Wikidata item that linked to the corresponding article you
are on, "Edit links" will appear on the side bar under Languages.

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Re: deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

Carcharoth
On 2/15/13, Katie Chan <[hidden email]> wrote:

>  From my experience, it would appear generally speaking article with
> more than 1 or 2 interwiki links will typically already exist on
> Wikidata, but not necessarily otherwise.

If only 1 or 2 interwiki links exist on an article, and there is no
Wikidata entry, is it worth creating one or just waiting for one to be
created as more interwiki links are added, or other Wikidata
functionality is added?

Carcharoth

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Re: deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

Lydia Pintscher
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Carcharoth <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 2/15/13, Katie Chan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>  From my experience, it would appear generally speaking article with
>> more than 1 or 2 interwiki links will typically already exist on
>> Wikidata, but not necessarily otherwise.
>
> If only 1 or 2 interwiki links exist on an article, and there is no
> Wikidata entry, is it worth creating one or just waiting for one to be
> created as more interwiki links are added, or other Wikidata
> functionality is added?

Eventually I expect one of the bots to get to it but if you want you
can also just create it.


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Re: deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

Legoktm
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The item should be created, because in many cases other properties (
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WD:P) can still be added to the item.
-- Legoktm



On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Carcharoth <[hidden email]>wrote:

> On 2/15/13, Katie Chan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> >  From my experience, it would appear generally speaking article with
> > more than 1 or 2 interwiki links will typically already exist on
> > Wikidata, but not necessarily otherwise.
>
> If only 1 or 2 interwiki links exist on an article, and there is no
> Wikidata entry, is it worth creating one or just waiting for one to be
> created as more interwiki links are added, or other Wikidata
> functionality is added?
>
> Carcharoth
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