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getting hired to work on Wikipedia? Make that a "website processing specialist"

phoebe ayers-3
http://consumerreportingusa.org/wikipedia.htm
Who knew that "Wikipedia was hiring website processing specialists"?
Not me, that's for sure! Easy money, here we come!

Any chance someone can check this out? Seems like a complicated spam
farm of sorts.

Phoebe

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Re: getting hired to work on Wikipedia? Make that a "website processing specialist"

Erik Moeller-4
2008/9/29 phoebe ayers <[hidden email]>:
> http://consumerreportingusa.org/wikipedia.htm
> Who knew that "Wikipedia was hiring website processing specialists"?
> Not me, that's for sure! Easy money, here we come!

It's nonsense.
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Re: getting hired to work on Wikipedia? Make that a "website processing specialist"

geni
In reply to this post by phoebe ayers-3
2008/9/29 phoebe ayers <[hidden email]>:

> http://consumerreportingusa.org/wikipedia.htm
> Who knew that "Wikipedia was hiring website processing specialists"?
> Not me, that's for sure! Easy money, here we come!
>
> Any chance someone can check this out? Seems like a complicated spam
> farm of sorts.
>
> Phoebe
>
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> <at> gmail.com *
>


Not spam per se. More a fairly standard if reasonably well done
working from home training scam. Not a vast amount we can do about it.
They are probably breaking some kind of trading standard laws but well
if those kind of laws were enforced online there would be far fewer
pyramid schemes.

The name is either because they think wikipedia makes it look kinda
respectable or because it is a useful keyword (try typeing wikipedia
into ebay sometime).

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geni

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Re: getting hired to work on Wikipedia? Make that a "website processing specialist"

Pharos-3
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:26 PM, geni <[hidden email]> wrote:

> 2008/9/29 phoebe ayers <[hidden email]>:
>> http://consumerreportingusa.org/wikipedia.htm
>> Who knew that "Wikipedia was hiring website processing specialists"?
>> Not me, that's for sure! Easy money, here we come!
>>
>> Any chance someone can check this out? Seems like a complicated spam
>> farm of sorts.
>>
>> Phoebe
>>
>> --
>> * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers
>> <at> gmail.com *
>>
>
>
> Not spam per se. More a fairly standard if reasonably well done
> working from home training scam. Not a vast amount we can do about it.
> They are probably breaking some kind of trading standard laws but well
> if those kind of laws were enforced online there would be far fewer
> pyramid schemes.
>
> The name is either because they think wikipedia makes it look kinda
> respectable or because it is a useful keyword (try typeing wikipedia
> into ebay sometime).

It looks to me like this is a form letter where they just plug in the
names of popular websites.  They probably have identical scam letters
about Goggle, Youtube, etc.  Nowhere does the content of the text
refer to anything specific to Wikipedia at all.

Thanks,
Pharos

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Re: getting hired to work on Wikipedia? Make that a "website processing specialist"

Thomas Dalton
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> Not spam per se. More a fairly standard if reasonably well done
> working from home training scam. Not a vast amount we can do about it.
> They are probably breaking some kind of trading standard laws but well
> if those kind of laws were enforced online there would be far fewer
> pyramid schemes.

The WMF has "Wikipedia" trademarked, doesn't it? It looks like a cut
and dried case of trademark infringement to me. Whether it's worth
doing anything about isn't up to me, but I reckon something could be
done if it was wanted. (If memory serves, you have to actively defend
trademarks or risk losing them, although I'm not sure if that applies
to this kind of infringement - they aren't calling an encyclopaedia
"Wikipedia" so it's not making the name generic.)

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Re: getting hired to work on Wikipedia? Make that a "website processing specialist"

phoebe ayers-3
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On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Erik Moeller <[hidden email]> wrote:
> 2008/9/29 phoebe ayers <[hidden email]>:
>> http://consumerreportingusa.org/wikipedia.htm
>> Who knew that "Wikipedia was hiring website processing specialists"?
>> Not me, that's for sure! Easy money, here we come!
>
> It's nonsense.

I know that :) The implication I read into it was that they were
hiring people to write or post Wikipedia articles, and *that* would be
interesting, if true. I may be overreaching, though, and it's just a
form letter like Pharos says.

-- phoebe

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Re: getting hired to work on Wikipedia? Make that a"website processing specialist"

Phil Nash-2
phoebe ayers wrote:

>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Erik Moeller <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>> 2008/9/29 phoebe ayers <[hidden email]>:
>>>> http://consumerreportingusa.org/wikipedia.htm
>>>> Who knew that "Wikipedia was hiring website processing
>>>> specialists"? Not me, that's for sure! Easy money, here we come!
>>>
>>> It's nonsense.
>>
>> I know that :) The implication I read into it was that they were
>> hiring people to write or post Wikipedia articles, and *that* would
>> be interesting, if true. I may be overreaching, though, and it's
>> just a
>> form letter like Pharos says.
>>
>> -- phoebe

Shame. Having had to give up work through ill-health, the idea of being paid
for what I already do seems attractive, but my experience is that there are
"work from home" scams out there where one pays up front for "training" on
the promise of work, which either never arrives or when you return it is
found to be "not up to standard" and you don't get paid for it.

Since this type of work is not considered "employment" within UK laws, it is
largely unregulated and has a poor reputation, and your legal remedies are
effectively extinguished by the contract you sign, not that most people
would be able to afford to litigate in any event.



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Re: getting hired to work on Wikipedia? Make that a "website processing specialist"

Alison M. Wheeler
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On Mon, September 29, 2008 22:12, phoebe ayers wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Erik Moeller <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> 2008/9/29 phoebe ayers <[hidden email]>:
>>> http://consumerreportingusa.org/wikipedia.htm
>>> Who knew that "Wikipedia was hiring website processing specialists"?
>>> Not me, that's for sure! Easy money, here we come!
>>
>> It's nonsense.
>
> I know that :) The implication I read into it was that they were
> hiring people to write or post Wikipedia articles, and *that* would be
> interesting, if true. I may be overreaching, though, and it's just a
> form letter like Pharos says.

A quick check (try http://consumerreportingusa.org/ by itself) shows that
the site is using the pagename requested *eg. 'wikipedia.htm') to generate
which company it wants punters to think is recruiting.

In terms of trademark abuse it would be interesting (but ultimately
pointless) to find out. There is 'automated processing' going on as they
convert the URL into part of the text, but given that the user is -
effectively - entering that name (or whatever other) then they could try
to argue that it wasn't them that chose to use 'wikipedia' but the user,
with them just re-formatting whatever the user had written.

Alison


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Re: getting hired to work on Wikipedia? Make that a "website processing specialist"

Charlotte Webb
On 9/30/08, Alison Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A quick check (try http://consumerreportingusa.org/ by itself) shows that
> the site is using the pagename requested *eg. 'wikipedia.htm') to generate
> which company it wants punters to think is recruiting.
>
> In terms of trademark abuse it would be interesting (but ultimately
> pointless) to find out. There is 'automated processing' going on as they
> convert the URL into part of the text, but given that the user is -
> effectively - entering that name (or whatever other) then they could try
> to argue that it wasn't them that chose to use 'wikipedia' but the user,
> with them just re-formatting whatever the user had written.

Not true.

If I change "wikipedia.htm" to "google.htm" or "myspace.htm" or
"youtube.htm" (or any other obscenely popular site I can think of) I
get a 404.

This might not prove that there was a conscious decision to exploit
the name "wikipedia" but as a logical conclusion it becomes
exceedingly likely.

A more convoluted and less plausible explanation would be that an
automated process generated a short list based on criteria (unknown to
us) which "wikipedia" happens to fulfill.

Possibly litigation-proof but not razor-proof.

—C.W.

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Re: getting hired to work on Wikipedia? Make that a "website processing specialist"

David Gerard-2
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2008/9/30 Alison Wheeler <[hidden email]>:

> In terms of trademark abuse it would be interesting (but ultimately
> pointless) to find out. There is 'automated processing' going on as they
> convert the URL into part of the text, but given that the user is -
> effectively - entering that name (or whatever other) then they could try
> to argue that it wasn't them that chose to use 'wikipedia' but the user,
> with them just re-formatting whatever the user had written.


Semi-automatic, possibly like the one spoken of in this blog post:

http://www.promotionalcodes.org.uk/750/wtf-coupon-code-for-wikipedia-i-dont-think-so/


- d.

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Re: getting hired to work on Wikipedia? Make that a "website processing specialist"

Chad
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:14 AM, David Gerard <[hidden email]> wrote:

> 2008/9/30 Alison Wheeler <[hidden email]>:
>
> > In terms of trademark abuse it would be interesting (but ultimately
> > pointless) to find out. There is 'automated processing' going on as they
> > convert the URL into part of the text, but given that the user is -
> > effectively - entering that name (or whatever other) then they could try
> > to argue that it wasn't them that chose to use 'wikipedia' but the user,
> > with them just re-formatting whatever the user had written.
>
>
> Semi-automatic, possibly like the one spoken of in this blog post:
>
>
> http://www.promotionalcodes.org.uk/750/wtf-coupon-code-for-wikipedia-i-dont-think-so/
>
>
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Thank you David, I'm still laughing at that.

-Chad

PS, I blogged it too:
http://anyonecanedit.org/blog/2008/10/wikipedia-just-got-cheaper-to-use/
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Re: getting hired to work on Wikipedia? Make that a "website processing specialist"

David Gerard-2
2008/10/2 Chad <[hidden email]>:
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:14 AM, David Gerard <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> Semi-automatic, possibly like the one spoken of in this blog post:
>> http://www.promotionalcodes.org.uk/750/wtf-coupon-code-for-wikipedia-i-dont-think-so/

> Thank you David, I'm still laughing at that.
> -Chad
> PS, I blogged it too:
> http://anyonecanedit.org/blog/2008/10/wikipedia-just-got-cheaper-to-use/


As predicted!

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/UnNews:Wikimedia_Foundation_to_introduce_paid_editing


- d.

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