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Gerard Meijssen-3
Hoi,
I blogged about a piece of template hell from the English Wiktionary. what
is of relevance is that the "Wikimedia localisation team"  will be
developing software that may have a really strong impact on Wiktionary.
Please read this blog post and consider what we can do for you.
Thanks,
     GerardM

http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2011/10/looking-forward-to-write-agile-user.html
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Sebastian Hellmann
Hi Gerard,
I had trouble understanding, what you want and I am a developer myself.
But I took the time to dig a little deeper.
Maybe an example would be nice to understand the things with the user story.
Also this list has only one email per month so it might not be the place
to reach a lot of people...

Anyhow, I have some quick infos for you, which could be considered a
user story:
I am mainly form the DBpedia project and we are trying to make
configurable scrappers that are able to extract infos from all languages
of Wiktionary. One problem that we have and that is also relevant for
Wiktionary is the intra and inter page linking. In the last few years,
there was some movement that produced a senseid template and an editor
(mainly http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Yair_rand) that could add
glosses to definitions and in this way produce intra page links:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/scrum#English-all_the_forwards_joined_together_in_an_organised_way
So now translation one can be linked to definition one. Additionally you
can point at the meaning from the outside, i.e. From Wikipedia you can
link to the correct definition (see the highlighting).

The German Wiktionary had basically the same problem and solved it with
using numbers in square bracket []
http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Haus
But they don't have the feature to link to the definition with an html
anchor.

I started that discussion on the English and the German Wiktionary about
a year ago:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Grease_pit_archive/2010/July#Stable_identifiers_for_meanings
http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Teestube#Unique_Identifier_f.C3.BCr_Wiktionary

I am telling you this for several reasons:
1. we will soon have some data scraped out of Wiktionary, which will be
machine readable (exploitable by you for translations, etc)
2. we hope that by being able to get out the data, more users will be
drawn to wiktionary
3. maybe you can help to improve upon the stable id situation. The
simplest way might be to produce an addon or template for this. Actually
there seems to be no obvious and simple solution for this. Intra and
inter page linking would provide a lot of benefits (consistency checking
and duplicate reduction in the long run), but is currently an unsolved
problem.

All the best,
Sebastian


On 10/02/2011 04:33 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

> Hoi,
> I blogged about a piece of template hell from the English Wiktionary. what
> is of relevance is that the "Wikimedia localisation team"  will be
> developing software that may have a really strong impact on Wiktionary.
> Please read this blog post and consider what we can do for you.
> Thanks,
>       GerardM
>
> http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2011/10/looking-forward-to-write-agile-user.html
> _______________________________________________
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