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Iolanda Pensa
I was wondering if you know about papers and research related to the upload of municipalities on Wikipedia.
I refer to rambot [1] but also to similar experiences on other linguistic editions of Wikipedia and municipalities of other countries
thank you very much
regards, iolanda/iopensa

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:History_of_Wikipedia_bots#.22rambot.22_and_other_small-town_bots
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Re: uploads of municipalities (rambot)

Gerard Meijssen-3
Hoi,
More interesting than what was written about the upload of US municipalities on en.wp is the upload of all the municipalities of China. It has been uploaded including the structure to higher level administrations.

Yes, there is the rambot stuff, but it is ancient history by now.
Thanks,
      GerardM


On 16 March 2014 10:13, Iolanda Pensa <[hidden email]> wrote:
I was wondering if you know about papers and research related to the upload of municipalities on Wikipedia.
I refer to rambot [1] but also to similar experiences on other linguistic editions of Wikipedia and municipalities of other countries
thank you very much
regards, iolanda/iopensa

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:History_of_Wikipedia_bots#.22rambot.22_and_other_small-town_bots
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Re: uploads of municipalities (rambot)

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Hi! Gerard is right that Rambot is ancient history, but that's precisely why I think it is fascinating. Gerard, I would love to hear more about the upload of all the municipalities in China, but it sounds like nothing has been written up yet. Can you give any links to where any discussions are taking place? Is it primarily on en or zh wiki? Does wikidata have anything to do with it?

To Iolanda, this question depends a bit on how you're approaching this topic. I'm curious if you are 1) more interested in the automation of knowledge production and are coming to municipalities/Rambot as a case of that, or 2) if you're more interested in the representation of municipalities (or something else) and are coming to bots/Rambot because they're an important aspect of that issue. I suspect #2, and I think there are more gaps in the Wikipedia bot literature when it comes to those kinds in general, as lot of us who write about bots approach the topic from the other side. If you're looking for studies about what happens when bots automate tasks in Wikipedia, I can give you a wave of cites, but they may not be as relevant. 

There are lots of papers about bots which throw out the example of Rambot for a few sentences without dwelling on the case too much -- I'm certainly guilty of this, so I won't vanity cite them. However, Niederer and van Dijck [1] spend a good amount of time discussing the Rambot case in detail in their great NMS article. Andrew Lih's The Wikipedia Revolution [2] also goes pretty in-depth into the history of Rambot, talking about came to be and what it did, along with some controversies it created. 

[2] google books link -- http://is.gd/7jgfj7

Best,
Stuart


On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Gerard Meijssen <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hoi,
More interesting than what was written about the upload of US municipalities on en.wp is the upload of all the municipalities of China. It has been uploaded including the structure to higher level administrations.

Yes, there is the rambot stuff, but it is ancient history by now.
Thanks,
      GerardM


On 16 March 2014 10:13, Iolanda Pensa <[hidden email]> wrote:
I was wondering if you know about papers and research related to the upload of municipalities on Wikipedia.
I refer to rambot [1] but also to similar experiences on other linguistic editions of Wikipedia and municipalities of other countries
thank you very much
regards, iolanda/iopensa

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:History_of_Wikipedia_bots#.22rambot.22_and_other_small-town_bots
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Re: uploads of municipalities (rambot)

Federico Leva (Nemo)
R.Stuart Geiger, 16/03/2014 19:14:
> To Iolanda, this question depends a bit on how you're approaching this
> topic.

I'm not sure about Iolanda, but for instance it.wiki's "progetto comuni
italiani" (Italian municipalities WikiProject) around 2005 is commonly
cited as the single thing that brought most editors to Wikipedia,
because everyone started editing from the article on their municipality.
However, there is nothing "serious" about this potential urban legend of
the community.

Nemo

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Re: uploads of municipalities (rambot)

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Hoi,
The lack of documentation about the Chinese villages, district et al, the lack of a discussion is actually what should make it of interest. All this data is available in Wikidata and you can search for 郭坑镇 in several Wikipedias and get a positive result. One of the options is to see this information in Reasonator [1]. This makes it almost as effective as what rambot did. Rambot was mostly effective for en.wp and for getting a discussion about this in the Wikipedia context going.

When it comes to literature, it is nice to read it all and once you have, you have not observed what is happening. Wikidata is happening. Wikipedia is largely stable, coasting.
Thanks,
      GerardM

NB this is the Wiki-research mailing list .. not en.wp


On 16 March 2014 19:14, R.Stuart Geiger <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi! Gerard is right that Rambot is ancient history, but that's precisely why I think it is fascinating. Gerard, I would love to hear more about the upload of all the municipalities in China, but it sounds like nothing has been written up yet. Can you give any links to where any discussions are taking place? Is it primarily on en or zh wiki? Does wikidata have anything to do with it?

To Iolanda, this question depends a bit on how you're approaching this topic. I'm curious if you are 1) more interested in the automation of knowledge production and are coming to municipalities/Rambot as a case of that, or 2) if you're more interested in the representation of municipalities (or something else) and are coming to bots/Rambot because they're an important aspect of that issue. I suspect #2, and I think there are more gaps in the Wikipedia bot literature when it comes to those kinds in general, as lot of us who write about bots approach the topic from the other side. If you're looking for studies about what happens when bots automate tasks in Wikipedia, I can give you a wave of cites, but they may not be as relevant. 

There are lots of papers about bots which throw out the example of Rambot for a few sentences without dwelling on the case too much -- I'm certainly guilty of this, so I won't vanity cite them. However, Niederer and van Dijck [1] spend a good amount of time discussing the Rambot case in detail in their great NMS article. Andrew Lih's The Wikipedia Revolution [2] also goes pretty in-depth into the history of Rambot, talking about came to be and what it did, along with some controversies it created. 

[2] google books link -- http://is.gd/7jgfj7

Best,
Stuart


On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Gerard Meijssen <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hoi,
More interesting than what was written about the upload of US municipalities on en.wp is the upload of all the municipalities of China. It has been uploaded including the structure to higher level administrations.

Yes, there is the rambot stuff, but it is ancient history by now.
Thanks,
      GerardM


On 16 March 2014 10:13, Iolanda Pensa <[hidden email]> wrote:
I was wondering if you know about papers and research related to the upload of municipalities on Wikipedia.
I refer to rambot [1] but also to similar experiences on other linguistic editions of Wikipedia and municipalities of other countries
thank you very much
regards, iolanda/iopensa

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:History_of_Wikipedia_bots#.22rambot.22_and_other_small-town_bots
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Re: uploads of municipalities (rambot)

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On Mar 16, 2014, at 2:14 PM, R.Stuart Geiger <[hidden email]> wrote:
> There are lots of papers about bots which throw out the example of Rambot for a few sentences without dwelling on the case too much -- I'm certainly guilty of this, so I won't vanity cite them. However, Niederer and van Dijck [1] spend a good amount of time discussing the Rambot case in detail in their great NMS article. Andrew Lih's The Wikipedia Revolution [2] also goes pretty in-depth into the history of Rambot, talking about came to be and what it did, along with some controversies it created.

Thanks for sharing this Stuart. I for one would love to read a bibliography of research about Wikipedia bots and automation :-)

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Iolanda Pensa
thanks for the very valuable information.
there is a History of Wikipedia bots [1]; I added your hints in the session ""rambot" and other small-town bots”. please do not hesitate to remove, improve, correct.

yes, I am personally interested in geographic information (and its balance/unbalance) and my interest in Rambot is related to the legend (or the fact) that the upload of municipalities has triggered editing and similar bots and experiences on Wikipedia not only in English. WikiData is definitely a game changer but I share the fascination for ancient history and I think it might have some lessons to teach us.
thanks! iolanda/iopensa

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:History_of_Wikipedia_bots

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> On Mar 16, 2014, at 2:14 PM, R.Stuart Geiger <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> There are lots of papers about bots which throw out the example of Rambot for a few sentences without dwelling on the case too much -- I'm certainly guilty of this, so I won't vanity cite them. However, Niederer and van Dijck [1] spend a good amount of time discussing the Rambot case in detail in their great NMS article. Andrew Lih's The Wikipedia Revolution [2] also goes pretty in-depth into the history of Rambot, talking about came to be and what it did, along with some controversies it created.
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> Thanks for sharing this Stuart. I for one would love to read a bibliography of research about Wikipedia bots and automation :-)
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Re: uploads of municipalities (rambot)

Dario Taraborelli-3
this is a fascinating thread, thanks for starting it, Iolanda.

For his PhD dissertation, Alan McConchie studied the impact of automated or bulk-imported geodata on the growth and activity of the OSM editor community. I am copying him as he might have some insights to share.

I also wanted to make a bold proposal to the list. We’ve been discussing for a while this notion of "topic pages”, i.e. reviews on the state of the art of research on topic areas of key interest to the Wikimedia community:

• these pages would be hosted on Meta, they would be maintained and curated by researchers and community members and would include pointers to the relevant literature
• they could be used as the main resource for newbie wiki researchers and volunteers interested in Wikipedia research but also as compact digests for existing researchers about areas they haven’t explored
• what’s more, they could be forked at any point in time and turned into conference/journal submission as review articles with major contributors as authors
• finally, they could include a section with unanswered research questions that could seed further research.

Would people in this thread be interested in a pilot for a topic page on automatic article creation in Wikimedia sites?

Dario

On Mar 17, 2014, at 3:49 AM, Iolanda Pensa <[hidden email]> wrote:

> thanks for the very valuable information.
> there is a History of Wikipedia bots [1]; I added your hints in the session ""rambot" and other small-town bots”. please do not hesitate to remove, improve, correct.
>
> yes, I am personally interested in geographic information (and its balance/unbalance) and my interest in Rambot is related to the legend (or the fact) that the upload of municipalities has triggered editing and similar bots and experiences on Wikipedia not only in English. WikiData is definitely a game changer but I share the fascination for ancient history and I think it might have some lessons to teach us.
> thanks! iolanda/iopensa
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:History_of_Wikipedia_bots
>
> Il giorno 17/mar/2014, alle ore 10:44, Edward Summers <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
>
>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 2:14 PM, R.Stuart Geiger <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> There are lots of papers about bots which throw out the example of Rambot for a few sentences without dwelling on the case too much -- I'm certainly guilty of this, so I won't vanity cite them. However, Niederer and van Dijck [1] spend a good amount of time discussing the Rambot case in detail in their great NMS article. Andrew Lih's The Wikipedia Revolution [2] also goes pretty in-depth into the history of Rambot, talking about came to be and what it did, along with some controversies it created.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing this Stuart. I for one would love to read a bibliography of research about Wikipedia bots and automation :-)
>>
>> //Ed
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Re: uploads of municipalities (rambot)

Ziko van Dijk-3
Hello Iolanda,

About the bot articles I wrote some years ago in my German handbook of
the International Wikipedia.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Ziko/Handbuch-Allgemeines

See also my contribution to Language Problems and Language Planning in 2009.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/jbp/lplp/2009/00000033/00000003/art00003

On the WikiCon in Karlsruhe, 2013, we talked about the bot articles
because of the recent mass creation on nl.WP. Initiator of the
discussion was Benutzer:Holder.

Kind regards
Ziko


2014-03-17 16:56 GMT+01:00 Dario Taraborelli <[hidden email]>:

> this is a fascinating thread, thanks for starting it, Iolanda.
>
> For his PhD dissertation, Alan McConchie studied the impact of automated or bulk-imported geodata on the growth and activity of the OSM editor community. I am copying him as he might have some insights to share.
>
> I also wanted to make a bold proposal to the list. We've been discussing for a while this notion of "topic pages", i.e. reviews on the state of the art of research on topic areas of key interest to the Wikimedia community:
>
> * these pages would be hosted on Meta, they would be maintained and curated by researchers and community members and would include pointers to the relevant literature
> * they could be used as the main resource for newbie wiki researchers and volunteers interested in Wikipedia research but also as compact digests for existing researchers about areas they haven't explored
> * what's more, they could be forked at any point in time and turned into conference/journal submission as review articles with major contributors as authors
> * finally, they could include a section with unanswered research questions that could seed further research.
>
> Would people in this thread be interested in a pilot for a topic page on automatic article creation in Wikimedia sites?
>
> Dario
>
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 3:49 AM, Iolanda Pensa <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> thanks for the very valuable information.
>> there is a History of Wikipedia bots [1]; I added your hints in the session ""rambot" and other small-town bots". please do not hesitate to remove, improve, correct.
>>
>> yes, I am personally interested in geographic information (and its balance/unbalance) and my interest in Rambot is related to the legend (or the fact) that the upload of municipalities has triggered editing and similar bots and experiences on Wikipedia not only in English. WikiData is definitely a game changer but I share the fascination for ancient history and I think it might have some lessons to teach us.
>> thanks! iolanda/iopensa
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:History_of_Wikipedia_bots
>>
>> Il giorno 17/mar/2014, alle ore 10:44, Edward Summers <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 2:14 PM, R.Stuart Geiger <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> There are lots of papers about bots which throw out the example of Rambot for a few sentences without dwelling on the case too much -- I'm certainly guilty of this, so I won't vanity cite them. However, Niederer and van Dijck [1] spend a good amount of time discussing the Rambot case in detail in their great NMS article. Andrew Lih's The Wikipedia Revolution [2] also goes pretty in-depth into the history of Rambot, talking about came to be and what it did, along with some controversies it created.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing this Stuart. I for one would love to read a bibliography of research about Wikipedia bots and automation :-)
>>>
>>> //Ed
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Re: uploads of municipalities (rambot)

Iolanda Pensa
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hi dario
how about opening the page on meta? it seems to me a very relevant approach, also to take advantage of the content discussed on this mailing list and to archive it more easily for everybody.
thanks and thanks siko also for your hints.
all the best
iolanda

Il giorno 17/mar/2014, alle ore 11:56, Dario Taraborelli <[hidden email]> ha scritto:

> this is a fascinating thread, thanks for starting it, Iolanda.
>
> For his PhD dissertation, Alan McConchie studied the impact of automated or bulk-imported geodata on the growth and activity of the OSM editor community. I am copying him as he might have some insights to share.
>
> I also wanted to make a bold proposal to the list. We’ve been discussing for a while this notion of "topic pages”, i.e. reviews on the state of the art of research on topic areas of key interest to the Wikimedia community:
>
> • these pages would be hosted on Meta, they would be maintained and curated by researchers and community members and would include pointers to the relevant literature
> • they could be used as the main resource for newbie wiki researchers and volunteers interested in Wikipedia research but also as compact digests for existing researchers about areas they haven’t explored
> • what’s more, they could be forked at any point in time and turned into conference/journal submission as review articles with major contributors as authors
> • finally, they could include a section with unanswered research questions that could seed further research.
>
> Would people in this thread be interested in a pilot for a topic page on automatic article creation in Wikimedia sites?
>
> Dario
>
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 3:49 AM, Iolanda Pensa <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> thanks for the very valuable information.
>> there is a History of Wikipedia bots [1]; I added your hints in the session ""rambot" and other small-town bots”. please do not hesitate to remove, improve, correct.
>>
>> yes, I am personally interested in geographic information (and its balance/unbalance) and my interest in Rambot is related to the legend (or the fact) that the upload of municipalities has triggered editing and similar bots and experiences on Wikipedia not only in English. WikiData is definitely a game changer but I share the fascination for ancient history and I think it might have some lessons to teach us.
>> thanks! iolanda/iopensa
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:History_of_Wikipedia_bots
>>
>> Il giorno 17/mar/2014, alle ore 10:44, Edward Summers <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 2:14 PM, R.Stuart Geiger <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> There are lots of papers about bots which throw out the example of Rambot for a few sentences without dwelling on the case too much -- I'm certainly guilty of this, so I won't vanity cite them. However, Niederer and van Dijck [1] spend a good amount of time discussing the Rambot case in detail in their great NMS article. Andrew Lih's The Wikipedia Revolution [2] also goes pretty in-depth into the history of Rambot, talking about came to be and what it did, along with some controversies it created.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing this Stuart. I for one would love to read a bibliography of research about Wikipedia bots and automation :-)
>>>
>>> //Ed
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Re: uploads of municipalities (rambot)

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Il giorno 17/mar/2014, alle ore 16:56, Dario Taraborelli <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
> I also wanted to make a bold proposal to the list. We’ve been discussing for a while this notion of "topic pages”, i.e. reviews on the state of the art of research on topic areas of key interest to the Wikimedia community:
>
> • these pages would be hosted on Meta, they would be maintained and curated by researchers and community members and would include pointers to the relevant literature
> • they could be used as the main resource for newbie wiki researchers and volunteers interested in Wikipedia research but also as compact digests for existing researchers about areas they haven’t explored
> • what’s more, they could be forked at any point in time and turned into conference/journal submission as review articles with major contributors as authors
> • finally, they could include a section with unanswered research questions that could seed further research.
>
> Would people in this thread be interested in a pilot for a topic page on automatic article creation in Wikimedia sites?
>
hi Dario
i have the impression is much more efficient to produce topic pages on WikiPapers. there is already a list of research areas [1]
maybe meta can simply provide links to those research areas. do you see specific benefits in creating new pages on meta?
iolanda

[1] http://wikipapers.referata.com/wiki/List_of_research_areas




> On Mar 17, 2014, at 3:49 AM, Iolanda Pensa <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> thanks for the very valuable information.
>> there is a History of Wikipedia bots [1]; I added your hints in the session ""rambot" and other small-town bots”. please do not hesitate to remove, improve, correct.
>>
>> yes, I am personally interested in geographic information (and its balance/unbalance) and my interest in Rambot is related to the legend (or the fact) that the upload of municipalities has triggered editing and similar bots and experiences on Wikipedia not only in English. WikiData is definitely a game changer but I share the fascination for ancient history and I think it might have some lessons to teach us.
>> thanks! iolanda/iopensa
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:History_of_Wikipedia_bots
>>
>> Il giorno 17/mar/2014, alle ore 10:44, Edward Summers <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 2:14 PM, R.Stuart Geiger <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> There are lots of papers about bots which throw out the example of Rambot for a few sentences without dwelling on the case too much -- I'm certainly guilty of this, so I won't vanity cite them. However, Niederer and van Dijck [1] spend a good amount of time discussing the Rambot case in detail in their great NMS article. Andrew Lih's The Wikipedia Revolution [2] also goes pretty in-depth into the history of Rambot, talking about came to be and what it did, along with some controversies it created.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing this Stuart. I for one would love to read a bibliography of research about Wikipedia bots and automation :-)
>>>
>>> //Ed
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