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Derric Atzrott
ICANN just delegated the gTLD .WIKI yesterday.  It's being managed by Top Level
Design, LLC.  I'm not entirely sure what that means for all of us exactly, but I
suspect that the WMF is going to want to at least register Wikipedia.wiki and
Wikimedia.wiki once the gTLD is open for registration.

Some of the new gTLDs are already opening up for registration.  .sexy and
.tattoo will be opening for registration on 25 February.

It looks like if we want to get .wiki domains we will be getting them sometime
in May or June during the "sunrise" period.[1]

ICANN also has a full list of new gTLDs that they have approved.[2]

Thank you,
Derric Atzrott
Computer Specialist
Alizee Pathology

[1]: http://www.namejet.com/Pages/newtlds/tld/WIKI
[2]: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/delegated-strings


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Re: .wiki gTLD

Jeremy Baron
On Feb 20, 2014 1:57 PM, "Derric Atzrott" <[hidden email]>
wrote:
> ICANN just delegated the gTLD .WIKI yesterday.  It's being managed by Top
Level
> Design, LLC.  I'm not entirely sure what that means for all of us
exactly, but I
> suspect that the WMF is going to want to at least register Wikipedia.wiki
and
> Wikimedia.wiki once the gTLD is open for registration.

I believe they were at Wikimania this past summer and we've definitely been
in contact with them for some time now.

-Jeremy
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Re: .wiki gTLD

Quim Gil-2
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On 02/20/2014 10:56 AM, Derric Atzrott wrote:
> I'm not entirely sure what that means for all of us exactly, but I
> suspect that the WMF is going to want to at least register Wikipedia.wiki and
> Wikimedia.wiki once the gTLD is open for registration.

I'm not even sure media.wiki is a good idea, but here goes the thought.

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Re: .wiki gTLD

Erik Moeller-4
We've been in discussions with Top Level Design, both to look into
potentially appropriate uses (e.g. URL shorteners) and to prevent
squatting of WMF trademarks.

James points out that now there's .foundation there's some additional
potential for mischief :P. Damn TLDs sprouting like mushrooms ..

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Re: .wiki gTLD

Brion Vibber-4
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TLD proliferation is a scam by money-hungry registrars who want people to
register (and thus pay) in multiple TLDs to "protect their brands".

I recommend we boycott/ignore these various things and just avoid them, but
I know we're going to end up registering a bunch for the "brand protection"
(racket).

-- brion


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Derric Atzrott <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> ICANN just delegated the gTLD .WIKI yesterday.  It's being managed by Top
> Level
> Design, LLC.  I'm not entirely sure what that means for all of us exactly,
> but I
> suspect that the WMF is going to want to at least register Wikipedia.wiki
> and
> Wikimedia.wiki once the gTLD is open for registration.
>
> Some of the new gTLDs are already opening up for registration.  .sexy and
> .tattoo will be opening for registration on 25 February.
>
> It looks like if we want to get .wiki domains we will be getting them
> sometime
> in May or June during the "sunrise" period.[1]
>
> ICANN also has a full list of new gTLDs that they have approved.[2]
>
> Thank you,
> Derric Atzrott
> Computer Specialist
> Alizee Pathology
>
> [1]: http://www.namejet.com/Pages/newtlds/tld/WIKI
> [2]: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/delegated-strings
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Re: .wiki gTLD

Marc-Andre
On 02/20/2014 04:51 PM, Brion Vibber wrote:
> TLD proliferation is a scam by money-hungry registrars who want people to
> register (and thus pay) in multiple TLDs to "protect their brands".

Well, the ostensible pretext is that .com. is now ridiculously
overloaded with myovercomplicateddomain.com because all the meaningful
"short" names are taken, and this is supposed to allow you to register
in the "right" TLD only.

Of course, that's not going to happen in practice as every TLD will be
populated by all the people with .com domains for that reason.  *sigh*

Back in the days when I had "hack.com", I refused to pay money for it to
Internic when they started to charge money (thanks, P&G!) as a sign of
protest.  Fat lot of good that did me -- or the dns.

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Re: .wiki gTLD

Jasper Deng
One asks whether the Foundation would've asked for a .wikimedia tld when
ICANN had that application period open (provided we actually could've
afforded funds to pay the huge fees required).


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Marc A. Pelletier <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 02/20/2014 04:51 PM, Brion Vibber wrote:
> > TLD proliferation is a scam by money-hungry registrars who want people to
> > register (and thus pay) in multiple TLDs to "protect their brands".
>
> Well, the ostensible pretext is that .com. is now ridiculously
> overloaded with myovercomplicateddomain.com because all the meaningful
> "short" names are taken, and this is supposed to allow you to register
> in the "right" TLD only.
>
> Of course, that's not going to happen in practice as every TLD will be
> populated by all the people with .com domains for that reason.  *sigh*
>
> Back in the days when I had "hack.com", I refused to pay money for it to
> Internic when they started to charge money (thanks, P&G!) as a sign of
> protest.  Fat lot of good that did me -- or the dns.
>
> -- Marc
>
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Re: .wiki gTLD

Antoine Musso-3
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Le 20/02/2014 22:51, Brion Vibber a écrit :
> TLD proliferation is a scam by money-hungry registrars who want people to
> register (and thus pay) in multiple TLDs to "protect their brands".
>
> I recommend we boycott/ignore these various things and just avoid them, but
> I know we're going to end up registering a bunch for the "brand protection"
> (racket).

To the lawyers around there:

Can a trademark owner sue the registrar directly? After all it sold a
product (the domain) using your trademark.


(and yeah agree WMF should not get every possible domains floating around)

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Re: .wiki gTLD

Luis Villa
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Antoine Musso <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Le 20/02/2014 22:51, Brion Vibber a écrit :
> > TLD proliferation is a scam by money-hungry registrars who want people to
> > register (and thus pay) in multiple TLDs to "protect their brands".
> >
> > I recommend we boycott/ignore these various things and just avoid them,
> but
> > I know we're going to end up registering a bunch for the "brand
> protection"
> > (racket).
>
> To the lawyers around there:
>
> Can a trademark owner sue the registrar directly? After all it sold a
> product (the domain) using your trademark.
>

Remember that "wiki" is not a WMF trademark :) But presumably if someone
registered something like pedia.wiki we'd have a variety of tools to have
to address the problem.

Luis


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Re: .wiki gTLD

Chad
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Luis Villa <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Antoine Musso <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Le 20/02/2014 22:51, Brion Vibber a écrit :
> > > TLD proliferation is a scam by money-hungry registrars who want people
> to
> > > register (and thus pay) in multiple TLDs to "protect their brands".
> > >
> > > I recommend we boycott/ignore these various things and just avoid them,
> > but
> > > I know we're going to end up registering a bunch for the "brand
> > protection"
> > > (racket).
> >
> > To the lawyers around there:
> >
> > Can a trademark owner sue the registrar directly? After all it sold a
> > product (the domain) using your trademark.
> >
>
> Remember that "wiki" is not a WMF trademark :) But presumably if someone
> registered something like pedia.wiki we'd have a variety of tools to have
> to address the problem.
>
>
Or we could do like Brion suggests and completely ignore that .wiki and
these other new gTLDs exist.

-Chad
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Re: .wiki gTLD

Antoine Musso-3
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Le 21/02/2014 01:25, Luis Villa a écrit :
>> Can a trademark owner sue the registrar directly? After all it sold a
>> > product (the domain) using your trademark.
>> >
> Remember that "wiki" is not a WMF trademark :) But presumably if someone
> registered something like pedia.wiki we'd have a variety of tools to have
> to address the problem.

Sure! I was merely referring to people protecting their brands by buying
domain in all TLDs.

If I own the trademark  "coca-cola" I would assume the registrar would
not be able use (ie: sell a domain) without a license from me.


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Re: .wiki gTLD

Jeremy Baron
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Antoine Musso <[hidden email]> wrote:
> If I own the trademark  "coca-cola" I would assume the registrar would
> not be able use (ie: sell a domain) without a license from me.

I don't know about that.

Could I register starwars.wiki in order to redirect it to
starwars.wikia.com ? (or if wikia offered white labeling to host it in
place?)

-Jeremy

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Re: .wiki gTLD

Paul Dugas
I believe there is a period of time before these TLDs go live when
trademark holders are supposed to register and that they want to acquire.
 Wonder if that means they loose the rights when that period ends.  Suspect
not.


On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Jeremy Baron <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Antoine Musso <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > If I own the trademark  "coca-cola" I would assume the registrar would
> > not be able use (ie: sell a domain) without a license from me.
>
> I don't know about that.
>
> Could I register starwars.wiki in order to redirect it to
> starwars.wikia.com ? (or if wikia offered white labeling to host it in
> place?)
>
> -Jeremy
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Re: .wiki gTLD

Chad
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Paul Dugas <[hidden email]>wrote:

> I believe there is a period of time before these TLDs go live when
> trademark holders are supposed to register and that they want to acquire.
>  Wonder if that means they loose the rights when that period ends.  Suspect
> not.
>
>
Herein lies the probem: supposed to register. See Brion's earlier
comment about this all being an awful scam.

-Chad
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Re: .wiki gTLD

Peter Kaminski
Without getting into the value discussion, I wanted to note there's an
official meta-registry called the Trademark Clearinghouse, in which
owners of registered trademarks can block/reserve (as opposed to
register) their marks in all the new gTLDs, so they don't get squatted.  
The protection fee at TMCH costs around $150/year/mark:

http://trademark-clearinghouse.com/content/trademark-clearinghouse-fees

I have an IP lawyer friend helping people with this new gTLD stuff if
Wikimedia needs advice or help getting registered with the TMCH.

Pete

On 2/21/14, 13:22 PM, Chad wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Paul Dugas <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
>> I believe there is a period of time before these TLDs go live when
>> trademark holders are supposed to register and that they want to acquire.
>>   Wonder if that means they loose the rights when that period ends.  Suspect
>> not.
>>
>>
> Herein lies the probem: supposed to register. See Brion's earlier
> comment about this all being an awful scam.
>
> -Chad
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Re: .wiki gTLD

Yana Welinder
Thanks Pete!  We're already taking care of this.

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On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Peter Kaminski <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Without getting into the value discussion, I wanted to note there's an
> official meta-registry called the Trademark Clearinghouse, in which owners
> of registered trademarks can block/reserve (as opposed to register) their
> marks in all the new gTLDs, so they don't get squatted.  The protection fee
> at TMCH costs around $150/year/mark:
>
> http://trademark-clearinghouse.com/content/trademark-clearinghouse-fees
>
> I have an IP lawyer friend helping people with this new gTLD stuff if
> Wikimedia needs advice or help getting registered with the TMCH.
>
> Pete
>
>
> On 2/21/14, 13:22 PM, Chad wrote:
>
>  On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Paul Dugas <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I believe there is a period of time before these TLDs go live when
>>> trademark holders are supposed to register and that they want to acquire.
>>>   Wonder if that means they loose the rights when that period ends.
>>>  Suspect
>>> not.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Herein lies the probem: supposed to register. See Brion's earlier
>> comment about this all being an awful scam.
>>
>> -Chad
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Re: .wiki gTLD

Gryllida
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That is a tough one, since most project names /start/ with "wiki". "pedia.wiki" just sounds awkward, as do many others.

On Fri, 21 Feb 2014, at 5:56, Derric Atzrott wrote:

> ICANN just delegated the gTLD .WIKI yesterday.  It's being managed by Top Level
> Design, LLC.  I'm not entirely sure what that means for all of us exactly, but I
> suspect that the WMF is going to want to at least register Wikipedia.wiki and
> Wikimedia.wiki once the gTLD is open for registration.
>
> Some of the new gTLDs are already opening up for registration.  .sexy and
> .tattoo will be opening for registration on 25 February.
>
> It looks like if we want to get .wiki domains we will be getting them sometime
> in May or June during the "sunrise" period.[1]
>
> ICANN also has a full list of new gTLDs that they have approved.[2]
>
> Thank you,
> Derric Atzrott
> Computer Specialist
> Alizee Pathology
>
> [1]: http://www.namejet.com/Pages/newtlds/tld/WIKI
> [2]: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/delegated-strings
>
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addshorewiki
en.wiki
data.wiki
meta.wiki
media.wiki
en.books.wiki
en.voyage.wiki

Most of them sound rather plausible.

Addshore
 That is a tough one, since most project names /start/ with "wiki".
"pedia.wiki" just sounds awkward, as do many others.

On Fri, 21 Feb 2014, at 5:56, Derric Atzrott wrote:
> ICANN just delegated the gTLD .WIKI yesterday.  It's being managed by Top
Level
> Design, LLC.  I'm not entirely sure what that means for all of us
exactly, but I
> suspect that the WMF is going to want to at least register Wikipedia.wiki
and
> Wikimedia.wiki once the gTLD is open for registration.
>
> Some of the new gTLDs are already opening up for registration.  .sexy and
> .tattoo will be opening for registration on 25 February.
>
> It looks like if we want to get .wiki domains we will be getting them
sometime

> in May or June during the "sunrise" period.[1]
>
> ICANN also has a full list of new gTLDs that they have approved.[2]
>
> Thank you,
> Derric Atzrott
> Computer Specialist
> Alizee Pathology
>
> [1]: http://www.namejet.com/Pages/newtlds/tld/WIKI
> [2]: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/delegated-strings
>
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Re: .wiki gTLD

Manuel Schneider-3
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Am 22.02.2014 10:37, schrieb Gryllida:
> That is a tough one, since most project names /start/ with "wiki". "pedia.wiki" just sounds awkward, as do many others.

right, let's get .pedia delegated to WMF. Also a way to make money ;-)

SCNR.

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Anthony-2
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I wouldn't think any of those other than perhaps "media.wiki" would
implicate a WMF trademark. As far as MediaWiki, WMF does claim a trademark
on that.


On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 5:17 AM, addshorewiki <[hidden email]>wrote:

> en.wiki
> data.wiki
> meta.wiki
> media.wiki
> en.books.wiki
> en.voyage.wiki
>
> Most of them sound rather plausible.
>
> Addshore
>  That is a tough one, since most project names /start/ with "wiki".
> "pedia.wiki" just sounds awkward, as do many others.
>
> On Fri, 21 Feb 2014, at 5:56, Derric Atzrott wrote:
> > ICANN just delegated the gTLD .WIKI yesterday.  It's being managed by Top
> Level
> > Design, LLC.  I'm not entirely sure what that means for all of us
> exactly, but I
> > suspect that the WMF is going to want to at least register Wikipedia.wiki
> and
> > Wikimedia.wiki once the gTLD is open for registration.
> >
> > Some of the new gTLDs are already opening up for registration.  .sexy and
> > .tattoo will be opening for registration on 25 February.
> >
> > It looks like if we want to get .wiki domains we will be getting them
> sometime
> > in May or June during the "sunrise" period.[1]
> >
> > ICANN also has a full list of new gTLDs that they have approved.[2]
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Derric Atzrott
> > Computer Specialist
> > Alizee Pathology
> >
> > [1]: http://www.namejet.com/Pages/newtlds/tld/WIKI
> > [2]: http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/delegated-strings
> >
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