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David Monniaux-2
Wikimédia France has installed a portal at www.wikitheque.fr (and had
obtained .com and .org in order to prevent squatting).

This portal provides task-oriented directions for finding images and
text content on Commons and Wikisource, with the help of Wikipedia (we
may in the future extend this to friendly third-party sites with libre
content).

Examples of tasks include: I'm looking for a photograph of an animal,
where do I look? I only know the French common name of that species,
what do I do?

The idea is to address the needs of e.g. teachers and schoolchildren
with step-by-step instructions.

This portal is now not much developed, but we aim to make it bigger.

In order to preemptively address a few obvious questions:
* This portal will not provide content; content will all be on other
sites (Commons, Wikisource etc.).
* This portal is not editable as a wiki because there would be
difficulties with that:
** The wiki interface may scare "normal" people - too many buttons.
** We cannot afford vandalism on a portal for welcoming e.g. schoolchildren.
** We might use a "closed" wiki but it's a heavier solution than the
current one.

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Re: www.wikitheque.fr (.org, .com)

peter green-2

> Examples of tasks include: I'm looking for a photograph of an animal,
> where do I look? I only know the French common name of that species,
> what do I do?
i'd say the best bet for that right now would be to go to the french
wikipedia and find the scientific name (and possiblly even a link to
commons) from there.


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Re: www.wikitheque.fr (.org, .com)

David Monniaux-2
peter green wrote:

>>Examples of tasks include: I'm looking for a photograph of an animal,
>>where do I look? I only know the French common name of that species,
>>what do I do?
>>    
>>
>i'd say the best bet for that right now would be to go to the french
>wikipedia and find the scientific name (and possiblly even a link to
>commons) from there.
>
Yes, this is exactly the method we explain on www.wikitheque.fr. It may
sound obvious to us, but external users can't be expected to guess it.
This is why we give those task-oriented recipes...

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Cary Bass
David

How do we become involved in wikitheque?  I see no login screen :)

Cary

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> peter green wrote:
>
> >>Examples of tasks include: I'm looking for a photograph of an animal,
> >>where do I look? I only know the French common name of that species,
> >>what do I do?
> >>    
> >>
> >i'd say the best bet for that right now would be to go to the french
> >wikipedia and find the scientific name (and possiblly even a link to
> >commons) from there.
> >
> Yes, this is exactly the method we explain on www.wikitheque.fr. It may
> sound obvious to us, but external users can't be expected to guess it.
> This is why we give those task-oriented recipes...
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David Monniaux-2
Cary Bass wrote:

>David
>
>How do we become involved in wikitheque?  I see no login screen :)
>
At this point, we've ruled against making the site editable.

Reasons:
* The Wiki interface is heavy and disorienting for newcomers. Remember,
this site is a bit like the help desk of a library, where you give clear
and precise directions. => we would have at least to use a very
"castrated" interface
* We cannot afford vandalism in such a place, therefore even with a wiki
we'd have to restrict edition.
* We don't put up content there - simply "recipes" for common cases for
looking for information.
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Oldak
Surely this kind of portal could be useful in many different languages? I don't suppose one, single multilingual portal would be useful.

Would it not be better to get it approved/officialised by Wikimedia Foundation for hosting on servers?

If other languages decide to create similar portals why not use third-level domains: fr.wikitheque.org, en.wikitheque.org, &c.

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Brianna Laugher
wikitheque like discotheque?

presumably wikitheque has some kind of meaning in French. I can't
think of any obvious meaning in English, so I would hesitate to put a
portal there...

Anyway, go WM France, good idea. Would be even better if we had some
way to evaluate its effectiveness, but hey, gotta start somewhere.

Brianna
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On 22/10/06, Oldak Quill <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Surely this kind of portal could be useful in many different languages? I
> don't suppose one, single multilingual portal would be useful.
>
> Would it not be better to get it approved/officialised by Wikimedia
> Foundation for hosting on servers?
>
> If other languages decide to create similar portals why not use third-level
> domains: fr.wikitheque.org, en.wikitheque.org, &c.
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Oldak
On 22/10/06, Brianna Laugher <[hidden email]> wrote:
wikitheque like discotheque?

presumably wikitheque has some kind of meaning in French. I can't
think of any obvious meaning in English, so I would hesitate to put a
portal there...

Anyway, go WM France, good idea. Would be even better if we had some
way to evaluate its effectiveness, but hey, gotta start somewhere.

Brianna
user:pfctdayelise
Should all Wikimedia sites have English names for the sake of consistency despite any perception of (this may be a bit dramatic) imperialism? Or should we embrace our multilingualism?

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Re: www.wikitheque.fr (.org, .com)

Flominator
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"David Monniaux" <[hidden email]> wrote on  Friday, October 20, 2006
7:55 PM

> peter green wrote:
>
>>>Examples of tasks include: I'm looking for a photograph of an animal,
>>>where do I look? I only know the French common name of that species,
>>>what do I do?
>>>
>>>
>>i'd say the best bet for that right now would be to go to the french
>>wikipedia and find the scientific name (and possiblly even a link to
>>commons) from there.
>>
> Yes, this is exactly the method we explain on www.wikitheque.fr. It may
> sound obvious to us, but external users can't be expected to guess it.
> This is why we give those task-oriented recipes...

Maybe you could use one of the tools hosted on the commons-server, that
collects interwiki-links starting from one article at fr.wp to automatically
find the right page/category on commons ....

Another idea would be a small tool that just fetches the english
interwiki-link and searches commons for matches.

Regards,

Flo

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Platonides
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"Brianna Laugher" wrote:
> wikitheque like discotheque?


-theque
>From greek ????
Place where something is saved.
Bibliothèque, filmothèque...

I wonder why a discotheque is called like that :P




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Erik Moeller-4
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On 10/21/06, Oldak Quill <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Would it not be better to get it approved/officialised by Wikimedia
> Foundation for hosting on servers?

I think that would be the way to go if, 6-12 months from now, we
decide that it has been a success and would be useful in other
languages as well. At the moment, I see it as a cool experiment.
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